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    Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    simple question really..

    Many new laws in the US go against the rights granted in "the bill of rights". No specific example should be mentioned by me, because there are hundreds even thousands of laws that go against the "bill of rights". In my opinion, so many laws go against the "bill of rights" that it in practice has been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws.

    what do you think?
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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Obsolete? No. Wrongfully infringed upon? Yes.

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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    simple question really..

    Many new laws in the US go against the rights granted in "the bill of rights". No specific example should be mentioned by me, because there are hundreds even thousands of laws that go against the "bill of rights". In my opinion, so many laws go against the "bill of rights" that it in practice has been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws.

    what do you think?
    The bill of rights applies to today just just as it applied back then the day they were written. The fact we have internet, machine guns, more mega-churches other than the catholic church, high speed printing presses,color magazines, telephones, listening devices, x-ray machines and so are are irrelevant. Advancements in society and technology do not make these rights go away or become obsolete. There will always be a need for them because the government is always trying to infringe on your rights and become more and more oppressive.

    If an amendment is truly obsolete or not needed then it should go through the amendment process. If they want to make something a actual right then they should go through the amendment process. Not try to use blatantly fraudulent interpretations in order to play the lets let them fight it out in court for years or decades game. Our rights are so imported that politicians who try to infringe on our rights with this bull**** lets create a unconstitutional law and let it be fought in the courts for decades should be tossed in prison with the worst rapists and murders and then later exiled to the worst country possible.
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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    The Bill of Rights hasn't been rendered obsolete, but it has been significantly watered down by a combination of bad law and bad court decisions.
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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    simple question really..

    Many new laws in the US go against the rights granted in "the bill of rights". No specific example should be mentioned by me, because there are hundreds even thousands of laws that go against the "bill of rights". In my opinion, so many laws go against the "bill of rights" that it in practice has been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws.

    what do you think?
    To some extent, yes. But that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The US Constitution was written for a totally different kind of country than the one we live in today. And since amending it is almost insurmountably difficult, a loose interpretation of the Constitution is a necessity. If our government actually operated today the way that it did in 1789, it would be laughably impractical. More modern interpretations, although far from perfect, at least make the government functional most of the time.

    For the most part, the rights are still in place, although we do not (and should not) define them the same way that they did in 1789. In some cases this was plainly the intent of the writers of the Constitution. For example, the 8th Amendment bans "cruel and unusual punishment" without specifying what that entails. We certainly have a different view of cruel and unusual punishment than people in 1789 did, and I have no doubt that in fifty years people will find OUR view to be outdated. And that's fine.
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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Some are under attack some subtle some not so much, and it is up to "We the People" to hold our ground on:Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms, Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure, Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

    We also need to scream until Obama obeys the Constitution as in Article 4 Section 4:The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion.

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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The bill of rights applies to today just just as it applied back then the day they were written. The fact we have internet, machine guns, more mega-churches other than the catholic church, high speed printing presses,color magazines, telephones, listening devices, x-ray machines and so are are irrelevant. Advancements in society and technology do not make these rights go away or become obsolete. There will always be a need for them because the government is always trying to infringe on your rights and become more and more oppressive.
    But if so many laws has been made that goes against the rights granted in the bill of rights, and if none or few people are willing to protect their given rights. then the bill of rights are in practice obsolete, right?
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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The Bill of Rights hasn't been rendered obsolete, but it has been significantly watered down by a combination of bad law and bad court decisions.
    at what point can you declare them practically obsolete?

    where is the line in the sand between watered down and ignored vs practically obsolete?

    In my opinion the first law that goes against the rights given attempts to make the rights invalid, if approved, the law is illegal, but has also invalidated the rights. A legal limbo indeed. problem is most courts would grant favour to new laws over constitutional rights, unfortunately those judges decide.
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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The Bill of Rights hasn't been rendered obsolete, but it has been significantly watered down by a combination of bad law and bad court decisions.
    at what point can you declare them practically obsolete?

    where is the line in the sand between watered down and ignored vs practically obsolete?

    In my opinion the first law that goes against the rights given attempts to make the rights invalid, if approved, the law is illegal, but has also invalidated the rights. A legal limbo indeed. problem is most courts would grant favour to new laws over constitutional rights, unfortunately those judges decide.
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    Re: Has "the bill of rights" been made obsolete by 200 years of new laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    But if so many laws has been made that goes against the rights granted in the bill of rights, and if none or few people are willing to protect their given rights. then the bill of rights are in practice obsolete, right?
    No. As I said before politicians like to play the lets make it a law and let it be fought out in courts for years and possibly decades game. For example DC vs Hellar, it took 30 years for it to get struck down.Eventually the patriot act and a whole bunch of other unconstitutional laws will be struck down.
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