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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What if it was the Russians storming in instead?
    Back then? I think I'd be in a corner crying.
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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It would depend on the invading country. If I'm a citizen of Hilter's Germany and America/Britain comes storming in then I'm flying flags and arranging welcoming parties.
    Ah, but you're an American. If you didn't like the American government, for whatever reason, what other countries would you be willing to allow to invade your homeland?

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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Ah, but you're an American. If you didn't like the American government, for whatever reason, what other countries would you be willing to allow to invade your homeland and install a puppet regime?
    I honestly don't know that I'd be okay with anybody. I think I'd just be like, "**** it, I'm moving to Canada"....maybe Canada could invade.
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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Fight to death. Seriously.
    I am, after all, a nationalist (an extreme one at that, so excuse my foolishness)
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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Ah, but you're an American. If you didn't like the American government, for whatever reason, what other countries would you be willing to allow to invade your homeland?

    That's really hard to say. Is there any other country in the world that does what we so often do? Invade a country and liberate it from oppression? Then rebuild it, construct a democratic government with human rights built into the law, and then withdraw our troops as soon as they're able to stand on their own?

    Who else does that, besides the USA and our close allies working with us? Anyone? Ever?

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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That's really hard to say. Is there any other country in the world that does what we so often do? Invade a country and liberate it from oppression? Then rebuild it, construct a democratic government with human rights built into the law, and then withdraw our troops as soon as they're able to stand on their own?

    Who else does that, besides the USA and our close allies working with us? Anyone? Ever?
    Never mind all the other stuff, how many countries when and then leave without annexing?
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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I honestly don't know that I'd be okay with anybody. I think I'd just be like, "**** it, I'm moving to Canada"....maybe Canada could invade.
    I would actually be okay with that. I don't consider Canadians alien, and I've been arguing for union for a long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That's really hard to say. Is there any other country in the world that does what we so often do? Invade a country and liberate it from oppression? Then rebuild it, construct a democratic government with human rights built into the law, and then withdraw our troops as soon as they're able to stand on their own?
    You seem to be assuming that democracy and human rights are what other people want. Look at the first countries we "liberated", Germany and Japan. Sure, we gave them a democratic government with human rights, but we also neutered them and subordinated them to our foreign policy for fifty years. What country would you allow to do that to us?

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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Never mind all the other stuff, how many countries when and then leave without annexing?
    That was supposed to say win and then leave.....not sure how I typed when instead....
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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Fight, in a psychologically horrid manner (think Gibson in "The Patriot").

    Flaming entrails hanging from the lamposts.

    There is no such thing as terrorism against invaders.

    (No, I'm NOT happy about our troops being blown apart by IEDs, but that's asymmetrical warfare, not terrorism.)

    I'm not a nationalist either, but if you invade my home, you're fair game.

    Watch what you eat, what you drink, where you sleep, where you drop your drawers to take a dump.

    Does that hot girl want YOU? Or is she leading you into an ambush?

    Then when the enemy loses the will to continue, hopefully there will be a power vacuum that will allow us to address the issues that precipitated the invasion in the first place.
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    Re: Would you defend your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I would actually be okay with that. I don't consider Canadians alien, and I've been arguing for union for a long time.



    You seem to be assuming that democracy and human rights are what other people want. Look at the first countries we "liberated", Germany and Japan. Sure, we gave them a democratic government with human rights, but we also neutered them and subordinated them to our foreign policy for fifty years. What country would you allow to do that to us?
    We did that, yes.... in response to their initiation of wars of conquest that sent half the world up in flames. How many Germans would say they were better off in 1939? I'm sure a few would, I doubt many. How many Japanese think things were better for them in 1943? Some, I'm sure... probably not very many.

    At the time, of course, I'm sure almost all of them believed they were fighting for their nation, rightfully. I can hardly blame them for that. (The individual soldiers, I mean.) Can't say I would have done any differently if I'd grown up in pre-WW2 Germany or Japan... you're part of your culture and few can step outside of it an achieve true objectivity. (Many think they can, but... that is usually pride talking, self-delusion.)

    If the US government turned into some overtly oppressive tyranny, I'd probably already be fighting against it as a guerilla partisan. If someone then invaded the USA with expressed intent to depose the oppressive government and restore our own Constitution, I might well view them as allies. It would depend, to a large degree, on who it was. China? Russia? Oh hell no. A Brit/Can/Aussie/etc-Nato alliance? Probably be okay with that, depending on circumstances.

    But what if I don't agree that my government has crossed the line into tyranny and unjustified aggression? There are some who think it already has... I think we have problems but I don't think it has risen to that level, at least not yet. If I still support my government then I will see the invaders as invaders, and fight against them.

    It's very subjective and hard to say what one will do in such circumstances, but the human instinct is to defend home/family/community/nation against "the outsiders".

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