View Poll Results: are our politicians acting as if there is future?

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  • Our future looks bright because of the actions our politicians are taking now.

    0 0%
  • They are doing well in building for the future.

    0 0%
  • They try their best and its pretty promising.

    1 7.14%
  • They try but they don't know what they are doing.

    5 35.71%
  • They don't know what they are doing, but at least they are trying.

    2 14.29%
  • I don't know.

    4 28.57%
  • They don't know.

    6 42.86%
  • They are preparing for a dim future.

    2 14.29%
  • They are preparing for a collapse.

    3 21.43%
  • They are taking desperate action now to save some capabiliies for an unavoidable collapse.

    0 0%
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    It's all about short term profit, especially in America. It's all about the bottom line for next quarter or winning the next election. No one gives a **** about 10 years from now, let alone 50.
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No, not talking about a direct democracy. Rather talking about a party free system where laws and policies have to be read in full by everyone who votes on them, where everyone votes based on their on belief rather than a party line.
    Representative democracy as some ironically calls it doesn't represent anything but our own failures and extremism, it takes us nowhere and has lead us into a system that only cares about becoming a representative, rather than about what you represent.
    The current party political system is a bipolar extremist system that in no way represents the opinions of the people they are suppose to represent. in addition it takes away a wide range of opinions by making it impossible to represent anything in a small party or as an independent. The party system in Europe and the US is turning into a two sided dogfight that doesn't benefit anyone and is all about the fight and winning the fight, instead of being about the ideologies and what one is fighting for. It no longer matters what you are fighting for, the only thing that matters is winning the fight, and this is the reason our societies are becoming so ideologically poor and so extremely hostile.

    In a party free system one can align oneself with a set of ideologies instead, completely independent of a party and fight for those, raise those cases to attention, every opinion is heard because small parties and independents are not excluded. Then everyone votes on the issue independently after fully understanding it.

    Direct democracy should not be forgotten. A set of laws demanding referendums instead of government approval should be written up. This could be things like taking on debt in this years budget, or spending money on wars, participating in wara, public healthcare etc etc.

    Things that affect everyone strongly or things that a set of politicians should not be allowed to decide, should be decided in direct democracy, with todays technology it is possible.
    Personally I think a representative system that takes advantage of technology and either eliminates the two party system or expands it into a 3-4 minimum party system would be ideal.

    Imagine a Rep who goes to DC, utilizes his resources to learn the pros and cons of each issue, conveys his understanding and advice, then opens up lines to his constituency as to how he should vote.

    This could be done unilaterally, by any Rep who chose to do so. No changes to existing structures necessary.
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Personally I think a representative system that takes advantage of technology and either eliminates the two party system or expands it into a 3-4 minimum party system would be ideal.

    Imagine a Rep who goes to DC, utilizes his resources to learn the pros and cons of each issue, conveys his understanding and advice, then opens up lines to his constituency as to how he should vote.

    This could be done unilaterally, by any Rep who chose to do so. No changes to existing structures necessary.
    The two-party system isn't entrenched in the Constitution. Rather, the two-party system comes about as a result of our electoral system.

    If you want to get rid of our two-party system you must change our electoral system to allow more third-party candidates to get elected.

    Duverger's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The two-party system isn't entrenched in the Constitution. Rather, the two-party system comes about as a result of our electoral system.

    If you want to get rid of our two-party system you must change our electoral system to allow more third-party candidates to get elected.

    Duverger's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Interesting link.

    I actually really like the multiple choice ballot idea as well.
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Interesting link.

    I actually really like the multiple choice ballot idea as well.
    I prefer the Instant Run-off Voting method. Or at least having a run-off election and then an election between the two top contestants.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that does appear to be much of the way of it







    and, of course, lastly:



    to an extent, we were doomed when we decided that we all deserved charity, and we could impose it by fiat.
    This is true. Not everyone needs charity, only those among us who have limitations imposed on them either by society, accidents, or genetics.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Personally I am voting None of the Above.

    I consider all politicians to be short sighted,self serving parasites on the evolutionary scale between tics and pod scum incapable of looking past their next election,sexual conquest,or kick back.

    I really have no problem with our current style of democracy.What I do have a problem is the fact that the the leftist liberal extremist in the Democratic party and the christian conservative wingnuts of the Republican party seem to be the only voices allowed to speak in this county(hell,it almost seems like this forum is the same way),and that true independents,moderates,Situationalists llike myself are drowned out.

    But then again,that's just my opinion.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Interesting link.

    I actually really like the multiple choice ballot idea as well.
    That's always struck me as the best solution. It allows for a much great diversity of opinions, but it stops most of the real nutjobs from getting anywhere. Also, there should be an upper limit on campaign finances. Something on the order of 10 million would be reasonable. That way, you could still donate if you wanted, but it would stop the huge money interests from buying votes.
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Also, there should be an upper limit on campaign finances. Something on the order of 10 million would be reasonable. That way, you could still donate if you wanted, but it would stop the huge money interests from buying votes.
    That will never work.

    Because instead of special interest groups giving money directly to candidates all they will do is form separate organizations and spend their money directly supporting a candidate by buying advertising time to either support that candidate or to attack the opposition. And nothing can be done about that because of the right to free speech.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That will never work.

    Because instead of special interest groups giving money directly to candidates all they will do is form separate organizations and spend their money directly supporting a candidate by buying advertising time to either support that candidate or to attack the opposition. And nothing can be done about that because of the right to free speech.
    A fair point. What do you think the solution to that is?
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