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  • Our future looks bright because of the actions our politicians are taking now.

    0 0%
  • They are doing well in building for the future.

    0 0%
  • They try their best and its pretty promising.

    1 7.14%
  • They try but they don't know what they are doing.

    5 35.71%
  • They don't know what they are doing, but at least they are trying.

    2 14.29%
  • I don't know.

    4 28.57%
  • They don't know.

    6 42.86%
  • They are preparing for a dim future.

    2 14.29%
  • They are preparing for a collapse.

    3 21.43%
  • They are taking desperate action now to save some capabiliies for an unavoidable collapse.

    0 0%
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    why does there need to be a president or any parties at all? a system with no parties and no single leader is what I personally see as ideal. everyone represent themself and vote case to case.

    this would make politics simple, every proposal would have to be understandable and easily readable by any single person. Not books like now just for a set of policies. Party politics has ruined politics.
    I'm assuming your talking about a direct democracy? And I think that would just be a terrible system. It would be like asking what the two wolves, and a sheep what to have for dinner. Not conducive for minority rights, or checks and balances on government. I agree with party system is ****ed up, but a representative democracy is ideal.
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I'm assuming your talking about a direct democracy? And I think that would just be a terrible system. It would be like asking what the two wolves, and a sheep what to have for dinner. Not conducive for minority rights, or checks and balances on government. I agree with party system is ****ed up, but a representative democracy is ideal.
    No, not talking about a direct democracy. Rather talking about a party free system where laws and policies have to be read in full by everyone who votes on them, where everyone votes based on their on belief rather than a party line.
    Representative democracy as some ironically calls it doesn't represent anything but our own failures and extremism, it takes us nowhere and has lead us into a system that only cares about becoming a representative, rather than about what you represent.
    The current party political system is a bipolar extremist system that in no way represents the opinions of the people they are suppose to represent. in addition it takes away a wide range of opinions by making it impossible to represent anything in a small party or as an independent. The party system in Europe and the US is turning into a two sided dogfight that doesn't benefit anyone and is all about the fight and winning the fight, instead of being about the ideologies and what one is fighting for. It no longer matters what you are fighting for, the only thing that matters is winning the fight, and this is the reason our societies are becoming so ideologically poor and so extremely hostile.

    In a party free system one can align oneself with a set of ideologies instead, completely independent of a party and fight for those, raise those cases to attention, every opinion is heard because small parties and independents are not excluded. Then everyone votes on the issue independently after fully understanding it.

    Direct democracy should not be forgotten. A set of laws demanding referendums instead of government approval should be written up. This could be things like taking on debt in this years budget, or spending money on wars, participating in wara, public healthcare etc etc.

    Things that affect everyone strongly or things that a set of politicians should not be allowed to decide, should be decided in direct democracy, with todays technology it is possible.
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    why does there need to be a president or any parties at all? a system with no parties and no single leader is what I personally see as ideal. everyone represent themself and vote case to case.

    this would make politics simple, every proposal would have to be understandable and easily readable by any single person. Not books like now just for a set of policies. Party politics has ruined politics.
    What has hurt politics is the quality of people involved, IMO.
    We need many more to participate, particularly the knowledgeable and educated.
    Our President must be our leader, and he must talk to the people about selfishness....the people will probably ignore him...hope I am wrong...we may need a better President, but who is there ?
    I doubt if any President can effectively convince the people to be less selfish..
    We need a Ghandi......
    Surely none of the conservatives, they will make matters worse.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Right now, every person in this country, from rich to poor, is going "me! me! me! me!" and is less inclined to be willing to take actions that are for the greater good. Politicians, even if they wanted to, are unable to fight against this general attitude. Looking historically, such as in the fall of rome, it was this sort of attitude which began the decline as different factions in our society will not stand together and internal strife will make things worse.
    that does appear to be much of the way of it

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexis deToqueville
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
    "To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
    and, of course, lastly:

    Quote Originally Posted by James Madison
    ...[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
    to an extent, we were doomed when we decided that we all deserved charity, and we could impose it by fiat.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    none of the above

    They're sacrificing the future for the present. The voters care about the future, but they care about the present even more. Politicians are just pandering to the voters.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am talking about all our politicians, in particular in the west...

    Do they appear to be taking actions that will benefit us in the long term, or even take any actions as if there will be a functioning society beyond the next 5-10 years? or do they seem more to avoid imminent collapse now while saving some functions from our society?

    looking at tthe actions that politicians are taking, you should have some impression if they are building/bracing for the future or just preparing for collapse?
    I think many politicians are more concerned with staying in power than about the future of the US. They let our country get into debt, let companies outsource jobs, give away our money to other countries, give away our money to useless studies and so on.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    If I am to be brutally honest... if I let what I have seen, read, and experienced culminate in my mind and then in my heart... I truthfully do not feel like our country has a bright future anymore. Things are rapidly slipping into damage control mode only - our government is so busy tackling all of the branches of the disease that they are either not willing or not able to cure the real problems.

    The only comfort I have about my country is that history is cyclical and sometimes merciful. Countries that fall from greatness or go through intense struggle often reconfigure in new and profound ways that help them to come back wiser the next time. Our history is relatively short and tumultuous, but also filled with creativity and invention.

    I agree with the observations of others regarding our culture of selfishness. It has infected every level of society. I am no socialist - I think people need to work to earn their keep - but what we are seeing is going beyond that. It is a culture of entitlement: to have whatever we want regardless if it is feasible, and to manipulate the economy or the social fabric in order to get it now. Both the GOP and the Dems are behaving this way to sickening levels.

    What we need now, as a nation, is to be humbled - especially our sanctimonious politicians. It's only through humbling that people start to feel gratitude for what they already do have, and it's through gratitude that earnest, honest work that addresses real needs gets done. Despite the hardship it would cause, I am beginning to feel more and more that our nation's values and moral fabric could really benefit from a financial catastrophe. Maybe then people would wake up from their persistent daydreams and delusions, and start reconnecting with the reality of what the entire human race has to do on a daily basis to survive.

    No more hand outs. No more social manipulations. No more tit for tat politics where useless laws get created to control the masses by right or left wing ideologues. Instead of fixing it, we should just break it.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Limit every position to one term. Force people to do something with their time in office, instead of focusing on keeping their position.
    I don't think this will work.

    I'm against term limits because I think it takes people time to gain experience in politics before they're able to do understand the intracies.

    For example, all the Tea Party Republicans that were voted into office last midterms did so on the promise of cutting government spending, cutting the deficit, and cutting taxes. But now they're in the hot seat because if they do all those things (instead of just one) it forces us to raise the debt ceiling.

    We can cut government spending and keep taxes as they are and use the saved money to pay off our debt. We can keep government spending and raise taxes and use the extra revenue to pay off our debt. But we can't both cut government spending and cut taxes and pay off the government debt.

    That's what the young Tea Party Republicans in the House are learning right now, and it's one reason why Congress is in a gridlock, especially when it's divided with the GOP in control of the House and the Democrats in control of the Senate.

    So I think we shouldn't have term limits because it allows those politicians to learn the nuances of how government authority interacts with private society and business. So those Congressmen that sit on a certain congressional committees (such as House Armed Services Committee) also become good candidates to work in the executive departments and agencies (moves to the Department of Defense) because they've gain good experience from legislating things to executing things.

    I will agree, however, that rather than term limits we should have age limits. That will prevent people from becoming too entrenched in office and will also help stave off generational conflicts with regards to lawmaking.
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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that does appear to be much of the way of it







    and, of course, lastly:



    to an extent, we were doomed when we decided that we all deserved charity, and we could impose it by fiat.
    But conservatives tend to point those quotes out only when it comes to individual welfare and tend to ignore those quotes when it comes to corporate welfare.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: are our politicians acting/doing things as if there is a future

    Many but not even most start out with the idea they are going to make a difference and they actually set out to be a great legislator, but sadly more often than not the power goes to their head in a very short time and having the job becomes more important than doing the job they set out to do.

    I have seen this happen too many times, and it's not just politics. I have seen the same thing happen when some people gain a position of authority and goes to their head. It is not good for them and it's not good for their subordinates. In politics "We the People." are the subordinates.

    Politicians have to have money to stay in power and it's hard to say no to someone who helps you keep your job and people who have money and want something think nothing of handing out cash and expecting something in return, and it happens every day I have seen it, and there are few people in politics that are above it, put the people before the power of the job and the money it takes to keep it.

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