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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The South leaving in "peace" is revisionist crap. The south attacked and seized US federal property, an act of war.
    They didn't attack anything. You have your history all backwards.

    Also, secession was illegal, anyway. Texas v. White confirned this as did Federalist 7.
    From 1976. Yeah, that isn't even an argument and Federalist 7 says nothing of that sort. It argues why the federal government is needed and the relationship of states to each.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm... this I can kinda agree with. You had the extreme abolitionists on one side, and the extreme secessionists on the other running the show. Though I think the Civil War may have been inevitable, it might have been stopped if some strong moderate had been able to step forward. Problem was, if you weren't strongly for one side, you were demonized by that side. Hmmm... anyone see the parallels to the idiot extremists from both sides, today?
    Extreme abolitionists? As in, people who REALLY wanted to abolish slavery? Yes, what an unreasonable viewpoint!
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The South leaving in "peace" is revisionist crap. The south attacked and seized US federal property, an act of war. Also, secession was illegal, anyway. Texas v. White confirned this as did Federalist 7.

    Oh... and I wold certainly be on the side of the North.
    Thank you CC for injecting those facts into the discussion.


    As to the OP, I too would be on the side of the north.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Had the states rights issue not of been slavery, the South would have a lot more sympathizers.

    It still doesn't make states right wrong though.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Really. And how many slaves got to vote in those referenda? How many women voted in them?
    The freed men who had the right to vote in the South--a right that freed men in the North didn't enjoy, by the way. How many freed men were there living in the Confederate states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Had the states rights issue not of been slavery, the South would have a lot more sympathizers.

    It still doesn't make states right wrong though.
    I agree with this. I could support secession under certain circumstances, but the "right" to abuse the people living in the states is not a states' rights issue as far as I'm concerned. Human rights are more important than states' rights, as the states are merely an abstract concept and do not exist in the real sense that people do.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree with this. I could support secession under certain circumstances, but the "right" to abuse the people living in the states is not a states' rights issue as far as I'm concerned. Human rights are more important than states' rights, as the states are merely an abstract concept and do not exist in the real sense that people do.
    Well back then, there was really no such thing as the modern understanding of human rights.
    So it's a moot point in the historical sense.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm... this I can kinda agree with. You had the extreme abolitionists on one side, and the extreme secessionists on the other running the show. Though I think the Civil War may have been inevitable, it might have been stopped if some strong moderate had been able to step forward. Problem was, if you weren't strongly for one side, you were demonized by that side. Hmmm... anyone see the parallels to the idiot extremists from both sides, today?
    It wasn't just the militant abolitionists--the ones that idolized John Brown. It was the Northern textle owners, who were pissed off because the South was selling most of it's cotton to England, then England turning around and selling it back to the Northern mills, at nearly twice the price they could have bought it directly from the South. It was the midwest farmers, who couldn't compete with southern farmers, because of labor costs.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The South leaving in "peace" is revisionist crap. The south attacked and seized US federal property, an act of war. Also, secession was illegal, anyway. Texas v. White confirned this as did Federalist 7.

    Oh... and I wold certainly be on the side of the North.
    The viewpoint in the South, was that those military installations were on sovereign soil, illegally and the Confederate government had every right to sieze them.

    You can't judge history from a modern perspective.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The freed men who had the right to vote in the South--a right that freed men in the North didn't enjoy, by the way. How many freed men were there living in the Confederate states?
    I don't know how many there were, nor is it relevant. The point is that the majority of the people were NOT allowed to vote. The southern states were in no way democratic and in no way represented the views of the people who actually lived in those states.
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