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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I was just a better general than lee, then maybe I could speak..sigh...

    Oh and nice stances

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    anti: tax

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    Just one question: Do you play war simulation games? COD, Starcraft, etc....?
    Do you even know how Lee fought?
    Oh, and by the way, when I meant pro government and anti-tax, I meant regulations upon companies such as emissions, borrowing, and everything but taxes. The world doesn't have to be black and white you know. In fact, you're the only person who complained of it
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I can't choose sides on issues like this - the past is the past, it was what it was.
    It lives on. You should know that. You live in the South.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    It lives on. You should know that. You live in the South.
    Not really - at least not where I live. There's not much of it that's given any attention. I think in other areas that might be true - say - where a major battle or event took place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Not really - at least not where I live. There's not much of it that's given any attention. I think in other areas that might be true - say - where a major battle or event took place.
    I don't want to see Southern pride die. My son, who is a Southerner, doesn't like it when I say that. I can't help it, though.
    LONG LIVE THE SOUTH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I don't want to see Southern pride die. My son, who is a Southerner, doesn't like it when I say that. I can't help it, though.
    LONG LIVE THE SOUTH.
    Maybe it's my lack of a ring of friends here or my location but I just don't see that from anyone - I've heard it, I know it's there - I just dont' feel it nor am emersed in it at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Maybe it's my lack of a ring of friends here or my location but I just don't see that from anyone - I've heard it, I know it's there - I just dont' feel it nor am emersed in it at all.
    That's sad. All America is going the way of PC-Globalization. "We are the world. We are the world. WE ARE ONE." Poop.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    That's sad. All America is going the way of PC-Globalization. "We are the world. We are the world. WE ARE ONE." Poop.
    I don't think it's ever been as widespread or prevalent as people think - I've never met anyone who has a 'my Grand-pappy was in the Civil war' type story to tell. That, to me anyway ,seems more likely to be found in Georgia, Mississippi and other southern areas . . . Arkansas just didn't get much of that in this central area- of course - I'm sure you'd find it all along the Mississippi region - there was the Battle of Helena. And further south of where I am - south and west - which was the Red River Campaign.

    But where I am (40 miles north of Little Rock) - I haven't seen a single bit of it.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    I'm not sure that is accurate and I doubt it, but it would make sense. Maybe from a non-official standpoint.

    To my knowledge the only notable entity that officially recognized the south as a seperate country was the Catholic Church, not that it matters.
    Confederate agents were given sanctuary and allowed to run black ops against the U.S. out of Canada.

    The most notable entity to recognize the Confederate States of America, was England, who shipped thousands of tons of war materials to the South, through Canada and Mexico. The Confederates imported P58 Enfield rifled muskets by the hundreds of thousands; plus thousands of cannon, sets horse equipments and infantry accoutrements, blankets, uniforms. Just about every piece of military equipment that existed in the period was imported from England at one point, or another during the war.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The thing is, earlier, he could have managed to win. Once Grant took over and had a free enough hand to do what had to be done, no, Lee had no chance. However, prior to this, Lee could have had his campaigning been more successful.
    By the summer of '63, Lee had lost the better part of his most talented generals: Jackson, Armistead, Garnet, Gregg; then Stuart in May of '64; not to mention the loss of hundreds of very talented regimental and brigade officers. At some point during Gettysburg, Lee suffered a stroke, or a heart attack. The talent he had left: Longstreet, Pickett, Ewell, D.H Hill, A.P. Hill et. al. were burnt out and were more interested in finding a way to end the war as painlessly as possible. All these things combined, were the reason that Grant's strategy was successful.

    At the end of the day, the talent that existed in the officer corps of all three military departments of the Confederacy, worked against them: the best leaders lead from the front. This leadership style cost the lives of many expert tactical leaders.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Confederate agents were given sanctuary and allowed to run black ops against the U.S. out of Canada.

    The most notable entity to recognize the Confederate States of America, was England, who shipped thousands of tons of war materials to the South, through Canada and Mexico. The Confederates imported P58 Enfield rifled muskets by the hundreds of thousands; plus thousands of cannon, sets horse equipments and infantry accoutrements, blankets, uniforms. Just about every piece of military equipment that existed in the period was imported from England at one point, or another during the war.
    We even got pretty close to intervening militarily on the confederate side but there was a huge movement against it as the public was more sympathetic (rightly or wrongly) to the union side. Possibly the first anti war movement in history.

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