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Thread: The Civil War

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're talking about something that could not be strategized away. Lee simply didn't have the man power. This is not a knock on his strategic ability, but more on the availablity of resources. His strategy was superb enough to hang in there and often defeat forces quite a bit larger than his. But against a general who was using attrition? He had zero chance regardless of how good a strategist he was.
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    Going against bigger armies like he did was not smart, it would be one thing if he had to fight, but Lee most of the time didn't have do so.

    Btw, on your earlier post, it didn't matter what Stuart was doing. The proper move would of been to send out a scout party before going to Gettysburg and moving away from the soft target(the railroad suppling resources to the north)
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    Re: The Civil War

    As always, NBF was an excellent battle commander, would of loved to see him in a Generalship position.
    I think he would of decimated the opposition.
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    Re: The Civil War

    There were several reasons for the war that are almost never talked about because few people remember them from school, and I don't think they teach anything passed the Abolition Movement any more treying to make it the only cause there was.
    Some of the others were the following.

    Economic and social differences between the North and the South.

    States versus federal rights.

    The fight between Slave and Non-Slave State Proponents

    The election of Abraham Lincoln.
    Before the war when Lincoln was elected in 1860 South Carolina issued a "Declaration of the Causes of Secession." Believing Lincoln was anti-slavery and in favor of Northern interests. Before Lincoln was president, these states seceded from the Union: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas.

    Over 600,000 American died in this senseless War many were just kids as is always the case when older people go out of their minds with stupid idiolohy and greed.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I would of fought for state rights, but I would of never allowed Lee to lead that didn't understand you don't fight to fight, but to win. He was a cocky little man that didn't understand anything about war.

    Though lets all remember the south didn't start aggression.
    First of all, Lee was a great general (though not world-class), yet he was still great. If you become a better strategist that he is, and still call him a cocky little man who didn't understand anything about war, then I would respect your statement.
    Also, the south did start the aggression, with the shelling of Fort Sumter
    North. Generally because it was the winning side, and because it was against slavery
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    Re: The Civil War

    If I was just a better general than lee, then maybe I could speak..sigh...

    Oh and nice stances

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    anti: tax

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    As always, NBF was an excellent battle commander, would of loved to see him in a Generalship position.
    I think he would of decimated the opposition.
    Forrest would have done terribly managing a large army. It would have been too unweildy for him. The size of the force that he had and the freedom he had to use it was perfect for his skillset. Under those conditions, he had no superior.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Forrest would have done terribly managing a large army. It would have been too unweildy for him. The size of the force that he had and the freedom he had to use it was perfect for his skillset. Under those conditions, he had no superior.
    I'd of liked to see the result of him not being constantly undermined by his superiors.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd of liked to see the result of him not being constantly undermined by his superiors.
    When he wasn't, which occurred later in the war, this was when he was at his best. A mid-sized command of cavalry, with total freedom to do as he felt necessary.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    When he wasn't, which occurred later in the war, this was when he was at his best. A mid-sized command of cavalry, with total freedom to do as he felt necessary.
    He's always been my personal fave.
    I tend to like under dog's.

    His story aligns with a typical literary tragic hero.
    If you happen to favor the South of course.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Who was right? Which side would you have fought for, knowing what you know today? Explain, please.
    I can't choose sides on issues like this - the past is the past, it was what it was.
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