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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    BTW, Canada sided with the South during the Civil War.
    I'm not sure that is accurate and I doubt it, but it would make sense. Maybe from a non-official standpoint.

    To my knowledge the only notable entity that officially recognized the south as a seperate country was the Catholic Church, not that it matters.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    i don't think anyone expected becoming a state would be a temporary or reversable thing. if it was to be reversable, the Constitution would have set terms and rules for how a state could secede.

    every state has rules for how towns, cities, and counties can secede...but the Federal govt. has no such rules on how parts of the nation, could leave. Im sure that was done on purpose.
    Did you read the rest? I believe they left the option open without coming across as openly endorsing it.
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    Re: The Civil War

    As for the question:

    The South

    My great, great grandfather was the grandson of a man named John who owned a 720 acre farm during the Civil War in upper Georgia. His father was a Scottish immigrant so he was a second generation American. He bought his land before the Civil War and he had come over with his brother and a slave woman named Millie(the only one he owned). At the time of the war he was 53. By this time John had married a wife, 42, and had 5 sons and a daughter. John and two of the sons joined regiments; one of the sons died in a war prison. When northern armies drew closer John returned home and decided to bury his gold. The person in the household he trusted the most, the slave woman Millie, was the only person he showed the hiding place of the gold to and entrusted her with keeping it until he returned from fighting. I can infer from this that Millie must have been more family than slave. A few months afterwards the battle of nearby Chickamauga commenced and the house served as a hospital. The plantation was destroyed by the fighting that spread across the surrounding area(John rebuilt it with the gold). Thankfully when the yankees showed up in the front yard they never mistreated any of the family or Millie, which was rather lucky considering they ravaged the south.

    I also have trackable relations to General Robert E. Lee, who I admire for defending his family, land, and neighbors from invasion, burning, and pillaging. And that is exactly what I would have done.

    Bear in mind I strongly condemn slavery, but that wouldn't have been my reason for fighting. I would be fighting for my life.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Sharecropping was virtual slavery, excellent point.
    I am sure it has been debated in some circles, and I believe referenced here once or twice. I believe that had the South transitioned to non-slavery on its own, the repression of free blacks in the South would have endured less hostility than with what we saw during Reconstruction and beyond. By how much, and with what lingering issues, its still a bit of guesswork.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Actually, they did. No doubt know what we know now, Jeff Davis, Lee and his generals would have changed decisions made early on. In the early stages the South could have won the war. There were great generals on both sides, but the South had the great number of brilliant military strategists. I don't know that anyone has argued otherwise successfully. The South had little chance in a protracted war, even though it had the heart for it.

    Beyond all that it wasn't about being on the winning side. The fact that the war lasted as long as it did is a testament to that.
    This is pretty accurate. The South required the War to be short. They could outstrategize the North, but they could never win a war of attrition.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    For the last time, Lincoln ordered the arsenals and forts in secceeding states abandoned. They were never, "taken", by the Confederates, so therefore no order was issued to, "retake", them prior to the attack on Fort Sumpter.
    Wrong. He issued the order to retake them once Fort Sumter was attacked.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ah sorry, it wasn't 1976, my bad. I should of looked it up instead of using my memory. My point still stands though on the accounts.
    And my point still stands.

    He was talking about the importance of a federal government and how without it the states would be jealous of each other. They needed some sort of conflict middle man to cool conflicts so they didn't arise to be more. You seeing things that aren't there is your problem, not mine.
    You interpreting it incorrectly is your problem, not mine. Federalist 6 and 7 discussed exactly what I said. The words I used were words used in both of those papers.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Your post is absurd! Lee's basic idea was about strength and hitting his opponent head on????? WTF? For the major part of the war Lee was vastly outnumbered and yet he won battle after battle. Lee was a master strategist. It is quite obvious that you haven't much of a grasp of the subject.
    It doesn't matter if he was outnumbered or not or if won battles. My post was about common sense. He lacked it. Unless you can show me otherwise, I will stick to my conclusion made by looking at his battle history and actions taken on the field.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    lee was first offered command of the union forces before the start of hostilities, but chose to return to his home state, and lead his state's forces..lincoln was very fond of grant, for the simple reason that grant wasnt afraid to fight, as some of the earlier union generals appeared to be.
    Grant and Lee had the same nonsense view of battle. All you are saying is that Lincoln supported that style. It doesn't change anything..*shrug

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    There are two sides. You stated one.

    The other is that those asenals and installations were illegal occupations, also worthy of being called acts of war.
    Since those arsenals and installations were Federally owned on property that was part of the US, your position is irrelevant. Like I said earlier, if I stand on a piece of land and say, "this is now MY country and I own the land, completely", doesn't make it so.
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