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Thread: The Civil War

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Actually, the South and in particular Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia were unjustly taxed to the point that the South was paying 75% of national federal budget and only about 10% of the money was returned to Southern states. The agricultural South was without question financing the industrial North. The North wanted Southern resources for pennies on the dollar.
    Because...of the anti-Southern majority that existed in Congress, hence the reason the South felt like their rights were being violated.

    I have an idea. Let's change gears a little and talk about the Red River Campaign of 1864 and how it was less about military strategy and more about capturing Southern cotton, to shipped up North to the textile mills.
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    Re: The Civil War

    I think people need to recognize that neither side was right and wrong. Both sides were at fault. The South was mostly agriculture while the North was industrial. The South didn't want to become industrial and wanted to stay with what they new. i.e slaves and planting. The North wanted to become more industrial and technological. The North was trying to force the South into the industry, while the South was pushing away. Now, every country must have a civil war. Korea had it, Israel had it, Afghanistan had it, and we had ours. In order for us to see each other and unify, or separate like Korea, we needed to be at war with our selves. The Civil War would have came anyway, if it was then or even now. We needed the Civil War in order for us, as a country, to be unified and raise to our ability we have today. We can't say that if the South won it would have been the same outcome, no one has the right to say that. It could have been it could not have been, but one this for sure the outcome we had is how we came to be one of the best nations in the world.
    Also, recognize that technology always wins, no matter what. So the North would have won any way. It happens all the time. World War I and II, we had better technology than others so that is why we won. We had bombs in WWII, it was the very best in that time, we dropped them and won the war. It dose not matter if the South had better generals, the North had better weapons and had money and trade going on. They. Were. Going. To. Win.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by kiralol101 View Post
    I think people need to recognize that neither side was right and wrong. Both sides were at fault. The South was mostly agriculture while the North was industrial. The South didn't want to become industrial and wanted to stay with what they new. i.e slaves and planting. The North wanted to become more industrial and technological. The North was trying to force the South into the industry, while the South was pushing away. Now, every country must have a civil war. Korea had it, Israel had it, Afghanistan had it, and we had ours. In order for us to see each other and unify, or separate like Korea, we needed to be at war with our selves. The Civil War would have came anyway, if it was then or even now. We needed the Civil War in order for us, as a country, to be unified and raise to our ability we have today. We can't say that if the South won it would have been the same outcome, no one has the right to say that. It could have been it could not have been, but one this for sure the outcome we had is how we came to be one of the best nations in the world.
    Also, recognize that technology always wins, no matter what. So the North would have won any way. It happens all the time. World War I and II, we had better technology than others so that is why we won. We had bombs in WWII, it was the very best in that time, we dropped them and won the war. It dose not matter if the South had better generals, the North had better weapons and had money and trade going on. They. Were. Going. To. Win.
    That's not necessarily true, either.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by kiralol101 View Post
    I think people need to recognize that neither side was right and wrong. Both sides were at fault. The South was mostly agriculture while the North was industrial. The South didn't want to become industrial and wanted to stay with what they new. i.e slaves and planting. The North wanted to become more industrial and technological. The North was trying to force the South into the industry, while the South was pushing away. Now, every country must have a civil war. Korea had it, Israel had it, Afghanistan had it, and we had ours. In order for us to see each other and unify, or separate like Korea, we needed to be at war with our selves. The Civil War would have came anyway, if it was then or even now. We needed the Civil War in order for us, as a country, to be unified and raise to our ability we have today. We can't say that if the South won it would have been the same outcome, no one has the right to say that. It could have been it could not have been, but one this for sure the outcome we had is how we came to be one of the best nations in the world.
    Also, recognize that technology always wins, no matter what. So the North would have won any way. It happens all the time. World War I and II, we had better technology than others so that is why we won. We had bombs in WWII, it was the very best in that time, we dropped them and won the war. It dose not matter if the South had better generals, the North had better weapons and had money and trade going on. They. Were. Going. To. Win.
    Very flawed. Germany had better technology always. They lacked numbers.

    The South had better generals and tactics, but lacked the numbers as well.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When they left in peace, and meant no harm to another, and when the nation was formed out of willing members I see no reason for violence. The only reason the north could manage was government property, and that was a weak one.
    They left in peace and were causing harm to the slaves, who were not willing members of the Confed

    Personally I would have liked to see a massive slave rebellion that massacred the slave owners and those that supported the slave owners. Their corpses could then have been fed to the pigs
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    Re: The Civil War

    Adpst is arguing that the right of the state and government outweigh the rights of the individual? Ya I get it, the states have rights but do they outweigh the rights of the individuals who were slaves? Granted they had no legal rights at the time, but wouldn't you agree that they had natural rights which transcended the laws of man?

    I don't claim that everything was honky dory up North, or that the Civil War settled the issue forever, but still it was a step in the right direction and if it being "right" isn't good enough it was a necessary step. But I don't want to interrupt this new found respect for the power of gov't that you have, please go on.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    They left in peace and were causing harm to the slaves, who were not willing members of the Confed

    Personally I would have liked to see a massive slave rebellion that massacred the slave owners and those that supported the slave owners. Their corpses could then have been fed to the pigs
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    And then what?

    I'll tell you what: out of fear, the rest of the white population in the South would have killed slaves by the hundreds of thousands, probably with the help of the Federal government. Kinda like the Dred Scott uprising.

    BTW, Canada sided with the South during the Civil War.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Adpst is arguing that the right of the state and government outweigh the rights of the individual? Ya I get it, the states have rights but do they outweigh the rights of the individuals who were slaves? Granted they had no legal rights at the time, but wouldn't you agree that they had natural rights which transcended the laws of man?

    I don't claim that everything was honky dory up North, or that the Civil War settled the issue forever, but still it was a step in the right direction and if it being "right" isn't good enough it was a necessary step. But I don't want to interrupt this new found respect for the power of gov't that you have, please go on.
    Nope, I'm not arguing that at all.

    It's assinine to suggest that since I don't take the far Left, 21st Century, historically inaccurate point of view on period, that I approve of slavery, or believe that the right to keep slaves as property outweighs the right of a person to be free.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nope, I'm not arguing that at all.

    It's assinine to suggest that since I don't take the far Left, 21st Century, historically inaccurate point of view on period, that I approve of slavery, or believe that the right to keep slaves as property outweighs the right of a person to be free.
    Fair enough, you're taking the view of a Southern gentlemen during the time period. I entirely agree that the actions of individuals in the past shouldn't be judged through a modern set of values and views on life, its just the way **** was done at the time. Well thats a bit simplistic I know, but we can agree on it in general right?

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Adpst is arguing that the right of the state and government outweigh the rights of the individual? Ya I get it, the states have rights but do they outweigh the rights of the individuals who were slaves? Granted they had no legal rights at the time, but wouldn't you agree that they had natural rights which transcended the laws of man?

    I don't claim that everything was honky dory up North, or that the Civil War settled the issue forever, but still it was a step in the right direction and if it being "right" isn't good enough it was a necessary step. But I don't want to interrupt this new found respect for the power of gov't that you have, please go on.
    I am sure that Adpst can speak for themselves, but I have to take issue with what I believe is yoru flawed logic.

    The Founding Fathers themselves realized that slavery was not to be decided simply by the "rights of the individual outweighing the rights of the state". Were that the case, the institution of Slavery is made illegal in the Constitution from the beginning. America did not create Slavery. It came with those who settled here from elsewhere.

    The issue was not Slavery, good or bad, but rather how does one undo it. The South was not ready to give up the economy of Slavery, and especially not by the legislative force of the North.

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