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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    For some reason, when I read "cocky little general", I lol'd hard.
    Lee was 5' 10", not that height made a difference.










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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not only bold, but an expert tactician. His expertise in economy of force, along with Stuart's expertise in cavalry operations made the Army of Northern Virginia unstoppable.

    Jackson was killed at Chancellorsville. Stuart did what he did during the Gettysburg Campaign--and I'm not even getting into that. Lee had a heart attack the night of the second day of Gettysburg. Hood was badly wounded at Gettysburg and was never the same. Armistead and Garnet were killed in Pickett's charge. Then Stuart was killed in '64. After all that, the Army of Northern Virginia was doomed.

    The mistakes that were made at Gettysburg wouldn't have happened, had Jackson been there. Hell, I have my doubts if the battle would have even been fought, had Jackson been there.
    Excellent post! I totally agree. And even then the Southern troops rallied.










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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Whether, or not they were, "right", is open to debate, but I'll admit that the country is better off with the Federal victory; even though the Federals mishandled reconstruction nine ways from Sunday and committed numerous atrocities during the war.
    The entire war was an atrocity. You had American brothers killing themselves over a feud of human oppression. The north wanted to free slaves, the south refused to comply so they sacrificed thousands of lives to try and defend human oppression. There is a clear right and wrong.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    He was, and I believe that is why Anderson was chosen to defend Charleston Harbor. Anderson became a hero and rightfully so, but he was chosen IMHO as a lesser. He rose to the occasion and performed his duty with great honor. He could not win, but he exhibited great valor.
    I believe Anderson was set up to fail, from the git-go. The North needed the Justification to invade Virginia. Although, I don't think that it was Lincoln that set him up. The Northern extremists needed their, "Pearl Harbor", to justify the brutal strategy they proposed in dealing with the Confederacy.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The entire war was an atrocity. You had American brothers killing themselves over a feud of human oppression. The north wanted to free slaves, the south refused to comply so they sacrificed thousands of lives to try and defend human oppression. There is a clear right and wrong.
    The North didn't want to free the slaves. Your garden variety working stiff in the North didn't want to have to compete with former slaves for jobs. Plus, they didn't want a bunch of, "darkies", running around, free. In fact, Lincoln had planned to ship all the freed slaves back to Africa. Ever hear of Liberia?

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Northern extremists needed their, "Pearl Harbor", to justify the brutal strategy they proposed in dealing with the Confederacy.
    However brutal the north's strategy against the Confederacy may have been, I'm pretty sure it doesn't top the southern states' own habit of subjecting their residents to rape every day of their lives, beating them into compliance, keeping them locked in animal sheds, and forcing them to do backbreaking work in the fields from sunrise to sunset.

    But I guess that's just looking at it from a "21st century perspective." How silly of me.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The North didn't want to free the slaves. Your garden variety working stiff in the North didn't want to have to compete with former slaves for jobs. Plus, they didn't want a bunch of, "darkies", running around, free. In fact, Lincoln had planned to ship all the freed slaves back to Africa. Ever hear of Liberia?
    To my knowledge, the northern (Union) states had freed their slaves and made slavery illegal. I won't deny that racism existed among citizens, but that is an issue for individuals. Slavery was abolished in the Union. Liberia was created as an option for freed slaves to go back to Africa if they chose to do so. The south wanted to preserve slavery and deny blacks their rights as human beings and free individuals. I do not believe this can be justified. The south was clearly at fault and is responsible for instigating the war that killed thousands of human lives. They fought to protect their warped view of human rights and the institution of slavery. They were wrong and their fighting is not justified.
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    Re: The Civil War

    In hindsight, the war achieved virtually nothing, while costing hundreds of thousands of lives and damage that lasted decades. The black man in the south was still persecuted mightily, and would have gotten true freedom just as quickly without the war as both technology and abolition continued their march forward.

    Had Lincoln had any concept of the cost in advance, he'd have never fought it. He said so.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    However brutal the north's strategy against the Confederacy may have been, I'm pretty sure it doesn't top the southern states' own habit of subjecting their residents to rape every day of their lives, beating them into compliance, keeping them locked in animal sheds, and forcing them to do backbreaking work in the fields from sunrise to sunset.

    But I guess that's just looking at it from a "21st century perspective." How silly of me.
    That's a gross over generalization of history.
    Contradicted by many of the accounts given by former slaves to the Federal Writers' project.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    To my knowledge, the northern (Union) states had freed their slaves and made slavery illegal. I won't deny that racism existed among citizens, but that is an issue for individuals. Slavery was abolished in the Union. Liberia was created as an option for freed slaves to go back to Africa if they chose to do so. The south wanted to preserve slavery and deny blacks their rights as human beings and free individuals. I do not believe this can be justified. The south was clearly at fault and is responsible for instigating the war that killed thousands of human lives. They fought to protect their warped view of human rights and the institution of slavery. They were wrong and their fighting is not justified.
    Slavery was not officially ended until 1865, with the 13th amendment, at the end of the American Civil War.
    So to say that the north was fighting to free slaves is entirely false.

    The Emancipation Proclamation was a political tool to encourage slaves in the Confederate states to revolt.
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