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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Even if I was southern, I would've defected to the north.
    You don't know that.

    Not for any honorable reasons, but simply because the south never had a chance in hell of winning that war.
    That's not true. All the military talent of the day, served in the Confederacy. Militarily, the Confederate Army was superior to the Federal Army.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What part is uniformed again?
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    Killing men is not the goal of war, but to Lee that was all he appeared to be interested in. There is numerous accounts where he fought battles in ignorant and resource hogging ways or examples where he would go out of his path to go to battle with an enemy that played no strategic advantage for him to fight. He ignored that war is about the mind, that war is meant to be fought with as little resources as possible, not to throw men at the enemy like they are fodder waiting for something to change. A great strategy for him would of been to take out soft targets at the same time in different sides of the field to avoid battles to move his enemy to his advantage and keep them off balance, not knowing where exactly he is, but he instead keep them knowing right where he is with his head on approach, that could make sense if you have had greater numbers than your enemy or weren't at all interested in men. All of this is seen in the best example of his ignorance when he was managing how to deal with Gettysburg. He was in the process of actually doing almost what I just said, going to a soft target, but when he heard news of an army going across the land, he decided to abandon this and run over to fight them for no reason what so ever. Then when he got there he decided to fight the enemy uphill sending men up the hill to be killed. He could of just avoided the fight, or when he got there killed them quickly by surprise to his advantage, but no, he fought them head on, when they had higher ground. I have no respect for a man that uses men like fodder, sorry.
    There you go. I'll sit back and wait while you educate us on Lee being a rotten general. YOU made the statement. I'm asking you to back it up. In advance I'll tell you that Lee most assuredly made mistakes, but comparatively few. YOU said he was a cocky little general that didn't know anything about war. How? One or two examples won't get it. Give me enough to prove your point. I'm willing to read everything you can send my way.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    The south was fighting for the right to own human beings. How on earth could you side with that?
    I'm not siding with that. I'm only seeing things from their perspective vice the Left Wing, "they were all racists", bull****. You're making the same mistake alot of people do, by looking at it from a modern point of view and it usually leads to the usual misconception that the war was, "all about slavery".

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Actually, they did. No doubt know what we know now, Jeff Davis, Lee and his generals would have changed decisions made early on. In the early stages the South could have won the war. There were great generals on both sides, but the South had the great number of brilliant military strategists. I don't know that anyone has argued otherwise successfully. The South had little chance in a protracted war, even though it had the heart for it.

    Beyond all that it wasn't about being on the winning side. The fact that the war lasted as long as it did is a testament to that.
    Had Jackson not been killed, the Federals would have been forced into a cease fire deal after Gettysburg.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    For the last time, Lincoln ordered the arsenals and forts in secceeding states abandoned. They were never, "taken", by the Confederates, so therefore no order was issued to, "retake", them prior to the attack on Fort Sumpter.
    Essentially correct. If I am not mistaken Anderson moved troops from Moultrie to Sumter because he had jack squat to defend the harbor. Anderson, a valiant man, and a Southerner, had little to defend the harbor with. (I know preposition, end of sentence) There is no way Anderson could have defended Sumter. He had 2 companies that comprised of less than 90 men, as I remember. In addition, he knew the fit was about to hit the shan.










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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Had Jackson not been killed, the Federals would have been forced into a cease fire deal after Gettysburg.
    Absolutely. Lee said that he lost his right hand when Jackson died, and he did. Jackson was often the brash warrior and more than a few times, but not always, he convinced Lee to allow him to take the bold approach.










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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Essentially correct. If I am not mistaken Anderson moved troops from Moultrie to Sumter because he had jack squat to defend the harbor. Anderson, a valiant man, and a Southerner, had little to defend the harbor with. (I know preposition, end of sentence) There is no way Anderson could have defended Sumter. He had 2 companies that comprised of less than 90 men, as I remember. In addition, he knew the fit was about to hit the shan.
    Lincoln was in position that made sending reinforcements a direct provocation.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Lincoln was in position that made sending reinforcements a direct provocation.
    He was, and I believe that is why Anderson was chosen to defend Charleston Harbor. Anderson became a hero and rightfully so, but he was chosen IMHO as a lesser. He rose to the occasion and performed his duty with great honor. He could not win, but he exhibited great valor.










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    Re: The Civil War

    For some reason, when I read "cocky little general", I lol'd hard.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Absolutely. Lee said that he lost his right hand when Jackson died, and he did. Jackson was often the brash warrior and more than a few times, but not always, he convinced Lee to allow him to take the bold approach.
    Not only bold, but an expert tactician. His expertise in economy of force, along with Stuart's expertise in cavalry operations made the Army of Northern Virginia unstoppable.

    Jackson was killed at Chancellorsville. Stuart did what he did during the Gettysburg Campaign--and I'm not even getting into that. Lee had a heart attack the night of the second day of Gettysburg. Hood was badly wounded at Gettysburg and was never the same. Armistead and Garnet were killed in Pickett's charge. Then Stuart was killed in '64. After all that, the Army of Northern Virginia was doomed.

    The mistakes that were made at Gettysburg wouldn't have happened, had Jackson been there. Hell, I have my doubts if the battle would have even been fought, had Jackson been there.

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