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Thread: The Civil War

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, attacking a fort is hardly the same.
    They attacked the fort. That is the same as "attacking the fort".

    That isn't what I said. What I said is that it was more than a hundred years after 1861, and the people on the court would of never sided with secession. Its meaningless to bring it up.
    Texas v. White wasn't 100 years later. It was from 1869. It is completely appropriate to bring it up. Though precedence and usage of the Founder's interpretation of the Constitution, it demonstrated that secession was illegal.


    No, I explained what he was doing, but you took it as if to say he meant something he didn't.
    No, your interpretation is not accurate. Hamilton was clear about the importance of a strong central govenment and the importance of no dissension or hostility between the states in order to support the central government.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    To answer your question: both sides were right. The South was fighting to protect it's rights. The North was fighting to preserve the Union.
    The south was fighting for the right to own human beings. How on earth could you side with that?


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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It seems odd to me too, which is why I don't buy your theory. If the Union was that concerned about getting its property back, it wouldn't have destroyed the forts when it was more convenient to do so.
    Indeed! Three forts controlled Charleston Harbor: Sumter, Moultrie and Pinckney. Lincoln, wrongfully, as it turned out, believe that most of the South would not rally to succession. Charleston Harbor was critical to the South. The "ownership" of Sumter was contentious (issues under Buchanan). Lincoln could have fortified the forts, he chose not to do so.

    One man died at Ft. Sumter due to a power explosion, not Southern bombardment. IMHO the worse thing that happened as a result of Ft. Sumter was P. G. T. Beauregard!










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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh so, when I say Lee was horrible general, you have a problem with it. I see. Well, I have moved on from that, but feel free to look at his strategies on your own.
    Can't back it up? LOL! I KNOW his strategies. YOU made the statement. Back it up!










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    Re: The Civil War

    Even if I was southern, I would've defected to the north.

    Not for any honorable reasons, but simply because the south never had a chance in hell of winning that war.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Even if I was southern, I would've defected to the north.

    Not for any honorable reasons, but simply because the south never had a chance in hell of winning that war.
    Actually, they did. No doubt know what we know now, Jeff Davis, Lee and his generals would have changed decisions made early on. In the early stages the South could have won the war. There were great generals on both sides, but the South had the great number of brilliant military strategists. I don't know that anyone has argued otherwise successfully. The South had little chance in a protracted war, even though it had the heart for it.

    Beyond all that it wasn't about being on the winning side. The fact that the war lasted as long as it did is a testament to that.










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    Re: The Civil War

    The north was right, and it's a good thing that they had won the war.
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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, Lincoln didn't abandon it because it was Federal property. He also ordered all of the forts and arsenals that were seized in the seceeding states to be retaken.
    For the last time, Lincoln ordered the arsenals and forts in secceeding states abandoned. They were never, "taken", by the Confederates, so therefore no order was issued to, "retake", them prior to the attack on Fort Sumpter.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Killing men is not the goal of war, but to Lee that was all he appeared to be interested in. There is numerous accounts where he fought battles in ignorant and resource hogging ways or examples where he would go out of his path to go to battle with an enemy that played no strategic advantage for him to fight. He ignored that war is about the mind, that war is meant to be fought with as little resources as possible, not to throw men at the enemy like they are fodder waiting for something to change. A great strategy for him would of been to take out soft targets at the same time in different sides of the field to avoid battles to move his enemy to his advantage and keep them off balance, not knowing where exactly he is, but he instead keep them knowing right where he is with his head on approach, that could make sense if you have had greater numbers than your enemy or weren't at all interested in men. All of this is seen in the best example of his ignorance when he was managing how to deal with Gettysburg. He was in the process of actually doing almost what I just said, going to a soft target, but when he heard news of an army going across the land, he decided to abandon this and run over to fight them for no reason what so ever. Then when he got there he decided to fight the enemy uphill sending men up the hill to be killed. He could of just avoided the fight, or when he got there killed them quickly by surprise to his advantage, but no, he fought them head on, when they had higher ground. I have no respect for a man that uses men like fodder, sorry.
    You're confusing Lee with Grant. Your post describes Grant perfectly.

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    Re: The Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The north was right, and it's a good thing that they had won the war.
    Whether, or not they were, "right", is open to debate, but I'll admit that the country is better off with the Federal victory; even though the Federals mishandled reconstruction nine ways from Sunday and committed numerous atrocities during the war.

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