View Poll Results: Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

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  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

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    13 17.11%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

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Thread: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Maybe it would be better if the newer technology was allowed to sell the technology to the people rather than to coerce people into using it. The free market would decide which bulb was the preferred bulb. Isn't that a better way to determine the best bulb rather than dictate the policy?
    The key word is "educated"....and I mean a good 100% education.
    We are no longer number one in this firld, maybe we never were.
    Plus, of course, to the best of my knowledge, the purchase of old-fashioed bulbs is still possible, the whale oil - probably under the counter..
    The "free market" is profit orientated, this is not "people orientated".

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    You know - I just want a safe way of lighting my home that doesn't cost me a lot to replace when it breaks and looks neat in my antique lamps which showcase the bulb itself.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The key word is "educated"....and I mean a good 100% education.
    We are no longer number one in this firld, maybe we never were.
    Plus, of course, to the best of my knowledge, the purchase of old-fashioed bulbs is still possible, the whale oil - probably under the counter..
    The "free market" is profit orientated, this is not "people orientated".
    I believe the sale of the old bulbs is still possible until midnight of December 31, 2011. That's my understanding.

    The free market is based on liberty and not tyranny. With liberty, people can choose which lightbulb they prefer. With tyranny, the full range of choices are no longer available due to the fact that the few believe the many are too stupid to make their own decision. In this case, the "educated" are too stupid to understand that the people can think for themselves.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I believe the sale of the old bulbs is still possible until midnight of December 31, 2011. That's my understanding.

    The free market is based on liberty and not tyranny. With liberty, people can choose which lightbulb they prefer. With tyranny, the full range of choices are no longer available due to the fact that the few believe the many are too stupid to make their own decision. In this case, the "educated" are too stupid to understand that the people can think for themselves.
    Some clarifications for those who don't realize exactly what is going on here.

    1) incandescent bulbs are not being outlawed The government has said that light bulbs must meet certain energy requirements, which means that instead of a 100W bulb giving you 1500 lumens of light, now it will only take 70W of power to give off that same 1500 lumens of light. This has actually led to massive innovation in the incandescent lighting industry to make more energy efficient lights.

    Incandescent Bulbs Return to the Cutting Edge - NYTimes.com
    California switches off 100-watt bulb for new incandescents - latimes.com

    HowStuffWorks "Are fluorescent bulbs really more efficient than normal light bu"

    2) Most people don't actually need 1500 lumens of light for most of their rooms. I know even before the CFL lights got big, my family always bought 60W bulbs for our house, which is about 900 lumens of light.

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    But, even if they do need that much light, as stated before, 1500 lumens of light will still be available in either the CFL lights or from a new, lower wattage incandescent light.

    3) Relying on light bulbs as a heat source for a person's home is very inefficient. Plus, the money a person saves from buying more energy efficient light bulbs can certainly go to getting them much more efficient heat sources for their home.

    It is completely wrong to say that incandescent light bulbs are being made illegal. What is being done, is that all light bulbs are forced to meet certain energy requirements (which are high above those levels of CFLs and are currently being met by a newer generation of incandescent bulbs). This is really no different than automobile emission standards put into place in the 1970 (Clean Air Act) which forced car companies to improve their car designs (which greatly reduced automobile pollution).
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Some clarifications for those who don't realize exactly what is going on here.

    1) incandescent bulbs are not being outlawed The government has said that light bulbs must meet certain energy requirements, which means that instead of a 100W bulb giving you 1500 lumens of light, now it will only take 70W of power to give off that same 1500 lumens of light. This has actually led to massive innovation in the incandescent lighting industry to make more energy efficient lights.

    Incandescent Bulbs Return to the Cutting Edge - NYTimes.com
    California switches off 100-watt bulb for new incandescents - latimes.com

    HowStuffWorks "Are fluorescent bulbs really more efficient than normal light bu"

    2) Most people don't actually need 1500 lumens of light for most of their rooms. I know even before the CFL lights got big, my family always bought 60W bulbs for our house, which is about 900 lumens of light.

    Illuminance - Recommended Light Levels

    But, even if they do need that much light, as stated before, 1500 lumens of light will still be available in either the CFL lights or from a new, lower wattage incandescent light.

    3) Relying on light bulbs as a heat source for a person's home is very inefficient. Plus, the money a person saves from buying more energy efficient light bulbs can certainly go to getting them much more efficient heat sources for their home.

    It is completely wrong to say that incandescent light bulbs are being made illegal. What is being done, is that all light bulbs are forced to meet certain energy requirements (which are high above those levels of CFLs and are currently being met by a newer generation of incandescent bulbs). This is really no different than automobile emission standards put into place in the 1970 (Clean Air Act) which forced car companies to improve their car designs (which greatly reduced automobile pollution).
    You are correct about energy efficiency is the goal and the measurement of the law. The result is that the freedom to purchase the lightbulbs that many Americans want to use is stripped from them by government edict. As for auto emissions and the Clean Air Act, I believe these is a difference. The Clean Air Act certainly caused increases in prices for automobiles, but it did not end the wide-spread end of manufacturing of any automobile make or model. C.A.F.E. standards are more comparable to the lightbulb issue as both have caused the public to not have purchasing options that used to exist. And that is only going to worsen over the next few decades.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You are correct about energy efficiency is the goal and the measurement of the law. The result is that the freedom to purchase the lightbulbs that many Americans want to use is stripped from them by government edict. As for auto emissions and the Clean Air Act, I believe these is a difference. The Clean Air Act certainly caused increases in prices for automobiles, but it did not end the wide-spread end of manufacturing of any automobile make or model. C.A.F.E. standards are more comparable to the lightbulb issue as both have caused the public to not have purchasing options that used to exist. And that is only going to worsen over the next few decades.
    What exactly is the difference? I have shown you that incandescent bulbs will still be available, with the same amount of light given off. The only change is that they will use less power and give off less heat, both of which are benefits, not drawbacks. Any person who thinks that they should be allowed to use more power for the same result is stupid.

    And, no it isn't different, unless you can prove that these standards will be the end of incandescent bulbs. The Clean Air Act forced automobile companies to change their cars so that they were more energy efficient and produced less pollution, leading to the invention/improvement of the catalytic converter. The same thing is being done with light bulbs. There is no law that anyone cannot buy or even make incandescent bulbs, but those bulbs that being made have to provide those certain lumen levels at more energy efficient power usage levels, which incandescent light bulb companies are now making.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    The biggest problem I have here is that the government was so worried about what lightbulbs we were using and had absolutely no concern over the fact that these bulbs were being put in houses that people could never afford to pay for.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The biggest problem I have here is that the government was so worried about what lightbulbs we were using and had absolutely no concern over the fact that these bulbs were being put in houses that people could never afford to pay for.
    The EPA doesn't have much, if any say, about finance or economics issues.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What exactly is the difference? I have shown you that incandescent bulbs will still be available, with the same amount of light given off. The only change is that they will use less power and give off less heat, both of which are benefits, not drawbacks. Any person who thinks that they should be allowed to use more power for the same result is stupid.

    And, no it isn't different, unless you can prove that these standards will be the end of incandescent bulbs. The Clean Air Act forced automobile companies to change their cars so that they were more energy efficient and produced less pollution, leading to the invention/improvement of the catalytic converter. The same thing is being done with light bulbs. There is no law that anyone cannot buy or even make incandescent bulbs, but those bulbs that being made have to provide those certain lumen levels at more energy efficient power usage levels, which incandescent light bulb companies are now making.
    Well, I guess wanting freedom is stupid. There is a difference in the lighting and the cost of the products. If I want to be stupid and purchase an inefficient lightbulb, I should be able to do so. It is time for all of the unstupid people to understand that us stupid people want our freedom and we don't want big government slugs to take it away from us.

    Using your standard, everyone should be riding bicycles. It uses much less energy that cars or even horses. And, unlike your smart lightbulbs, the bicycle costs much less to purchase and operate. Are you arguing for banning all automotive products and replacing them with unicyles and bicycles? If not, why not? Come on! Be true to your beliefs! You want less energy used. Bicycles use less energy. You want less polution. Bicycles cause less polution. Please be consistent and tell me that you favor using bicycles and want to ban all automotive products.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Well, I guess wanting freedom is stupid. There is a difference in the lighting and the cost of the products. If I want to be stupid and purchase an inefficient lightbulb, I should be able to do so. It is time for all of the unstupid people to understand that us stupid people want our freedom and we don't want big government slugs to take it away from us.

    Using your standard, everyone should be riding bicycles. It uses much less energy that cars or even horses. And, unlike your smart lightbulbs, the bicycle costs much less to purchase and operate. Are you arguing for banning all automotive products and replacing them with unicyles and bicycles? If not, why not? Come on! Be true to your beliefs! You want less energy used. Bicycles use less energy. You want less polution. Bicycles cause less polution. Please be consistent and tell me that you favor using bicycles and want to ban all automotive products.
    Hey, I have always been for freedom. If people want to eat unhealthily and they can afford their healthcare bills, I say ... eat as much artery clogging food as you want. If you can make up for the energy that you use by cultivating enough non government funded natural unlimited (e.g. solar, wind, water etc.) energy ... be as wasteful as you want with your light bulbs. If you can pay for your medical bill when you fall off your motorcycle while not waring a helmet .. ride without a helmet as much as you want. The point is .. as long as you can pay for your expenses without using up more resources than needed .. do what you want. Of course, this means government regulations ... unfortunately, if people are going to be using non-renewable resources and relying on the state for healthcare, they should not be doing things that would be unnecessarily costly (this includes both welfare for the rich and the poor).

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