Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

"There is no looming ban or phase out of incandescent bulbs. The entire hullabaloo is based on a fictitious claim manufactured by Barton.

All major lighting manufacturers, including Philips, Sylvania and GE, currently produce and sell incandescent light bulbs that meet or exceed the new standards (with no compromise in functionality). In fact, the lighting industry helped craft the 2007 legislation with the full understanding that they could produce incandescent bulbs that meet them."

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Catawba said:

So you mean I don't have the "freedom" to burn whale blubber anymore? Oh the tragedy!

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So you are against clean burning lamp fuel? Why?

Catawba said:

"There is no looming ban or phase out of incandescent bulbs. The entire hullabaloo is based on a fictitious claim manufactured by Barton.

All major lighting manufacturers, including Philips, Sylvania and GE, currently produce and sell incandescent light bulbs that meet or exceed the new standards (with no compromise in functionality). In fact, the lighting industry helped craft the 2007 legislation with the full understanding that they could produce incandescent bulbs that meet them."

Incandescent Light Bulb | FrumForum

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You missed why I called it a ban again.

One more time...

The new standards call for new technology making the old technology banned as it doesn't pass the standards.

Henrin said:

You missed why I called it a ban again.

One more time...

The new standards call for new technology making the old technology banned as it doesn't pass the standards.

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"The bulb ban rhetoric is a deliberate misrepresentation of a provision of the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act (ESIA) that sets efficiency standards for general-purpose screw-in incandescent light bulbs. The new standards—for what the industry calls “medium screw-based bulbs”—are set to take effect in January.

Major lighting manufacturers helped draft the new standards so that they could avoid a patchwork of state standards. They are fighting the repeal proposal because it threatens to strand the investments they have made to retool and produce lighting products that meet the standards."
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Catawba said:

"The bulb ban rhetoric is a deliberate misrepresentation of a provision of the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act (ESIA) that sets efficiency standards for general-purpose screw-in incandescent light bulbs. The new standards—for what the industry calls “medium screw-based bulbs”—are set to take effect in January.

Major lighting manufacturers helped draft the new standards so that they could avoid a patchwork of state standards. They are fighting the repeal proposal because it threatens to strand the investments they have made to retool and produce lighting products that meet the standards."
Incandescent Light Bulb | FrumForum

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You continue to bring up this argument in hopes it touches mine but it doesn't.

Henrin said:

You continue to bring up this argument in hopes it touches mine but it doesn't.

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Sounds like a personal problem to me...........

Catawba said:

Sounds like a personal problem to me...........

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The argument that those links are making rebuttals to is not my argument. You can't possibly use the rebuttals against my argument.

Henrin said:

The argument that those links are making rebuttals to is not my argument. You can't possibly use the rebuttals against my argument.

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Like I said then, it sounds like a personal problem to me.

Catawba said:

Like I said then, it sounds like a personal problem to me.

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I'm not exactly sure how its my problem that your links that you posted in response to my argument is actually refuting an argument that isn't mine.

Henrin said:

I'm not exactly sure how its my problem that your links that you posted in response to my argument is actually refuting an argument that isn't mine.

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Got something to provide credibility to your personal opinion?

Catawba said:

Got something to provide credibility to your personal opinion?

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Its not opinion that obeying by the news standards involves abandoning the old technology. I'm sure you understand the basic workings of the old tech in relation to the new and how they are fairly different. If not, just google it and will see I'm right.

LesGovt said:

I believe the sale of the old bulbs is still possible until midnight of December 31, 2011. That's my understanding.

The free market is based on liberty and not tyranny. With liberty, people can choose which lightbulb they prefer. With tyranny, the full range of choices are no longer available due to the fact that the few believe the many are too stupid to make their own decision. In this case, the "educated" are too stupid to understand that the people can think for themselves.

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Totally diasagree.
The people vote in a Congress with a very low approval rating..Thus I do not buy that people can think for themselves.
Lets get back to this "good education" thing and do it ! But the results will take time, maybe a decade of generations.
And all this over lightbulbs....lol...

earthworm said:

Totally diasagree.
The people vote in a Congress with a very low approval rating..Thus I do not buy that people can think for themselves.
Lets get back to this "good education" thing and do it ! But the results will take time, maybe a decade of generations.
And all this over lightbulbs....lol...

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Why not lightbulbs? You shouldn't just decide to not care when its small and unimportant to the big picture. Any educated person wouldn't decide to just ignore things when they're small. That is what we do in this country though. We call people crazy when they complain on the small issues, and freak out on the large issues like we have merit to speak anymore.

earthworm said:

Thus I do not buy that people can think for themselves.

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I believe you just helped make my point for me. You believe that you know better than the people because you believe they cannot think for themselves. Wow! Now that is breathtaking elitism.

Phys251 said:

But you're infringing on my freedom. The Tenth Amendment says that any power given to the Big Fedrul Guvmint belongs to the people. That includes the right to burn garbage in the local park.

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Well, I think you need to take your argument to the city government.

Catawba said:

LOL! Because a half century without an energy policy has served us so well up to now! :sun

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I believe the energy policies were better prior to the Dept of Energy than after.

Catawba said:

If losing freedom means using a more efficient light bulb instead of whale blubber to light our homes, I would have to agree with you there! :sun

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I don't believe I said that I wanted to use whale blubber to light my home. Non sequitur.

LesGovt said:

I don't believe I said that I wanted to use whale blubber to light my home. Non sequitur.

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In a couple of years LED will take over it all...its brighter and cheaper to run then anything else out there...they need to perfect the bulbs and get the price down further.

Henrin said:

God, I hate low flow toilets so much. :2mad: Thanks gov, this toilet is awesome! So much better than the old version. :roll:

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I'm never giving up my old toilets. If I move, I'm taking them with me.

Incandescent light bulbs, like current automobile engines are a genuine waste of energy. In the case of the lights, huge amounts of wattage produce small amounts of light and lots of waste heat to the atmosphere. In the case of automobile engines, put in one gallon of gas and get 25 per cent of its power to the drive wheels and 75 per cent of the power as waste heat to the atmosphere. Global Warming is about waste heat to the atmosphere. Oops, scuse me, that excess heat don't do nothin', radiational cooling, we probably gonna freeze, according to my rePublican guru. Just cause Corporate uses and wastes the most energy doesn't make them responsible. Corporate, can't lay a glove on 'em. Irresponsible, as a legal plan, and don't you forget it!

Apparently, nearly 60% of the posters here are against this so-called ban.
This bodes ill for Mr Obama....our nation is not ready for progression..
For the masses...they may not even notice...and for the libs...I see another 20 years of misery...as we fall even further back, even becoming a third world nation.
All this over a light bulb....

DaveFagan said:

Incandescent light bulbs, like current automobile engines are a genuine waste of energy. In the case of the lights, huge amounts of wattage produce small amounts of light and lots of waste heat to the atmosphere.

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... and if I want to use incandescent light bulbs and pay more for them and the energy they waste, that's my business.

earthworm said:

Apparently, nearly 60% of the posters here are against this so-called ban.
This bodes ill for Mr Obama....our nation is not ready for progression..
For the masses...they may not even notice...and for the libs...I see another 20 years of misery...as we fall even further back, even becoming a third world nation.
All this over a light bulb....

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Obama's type of "progression", **** no. Your misery apparently, is closer to my ideal.

LesGovt said:

I'm sorry, but I do not accept the Chicken Little ideology. Tyrants promote it to justify their misdeeds. Do I feel guilty about using a particular lightbulb? Absolutely not! Nope. How much natural resources have you produced to repay society for the gasoline you have used in your car? If you haven't repaid your "debt" to society, please don't lecture me about using a lightbulb. If you have, then 99% have not.

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It sounds like your being selfish, as only one who is selfish would not admit to partaking in the squandering of our children's inheritance. I do not claim to be not guilty of this crime, but I do claim to do my best at being efficient and being non-wasteful as soon as I can. Unlike some people, I can admit that I make mistakes, that I am human. Simply because one is guilty of making poor decisions does not make that decision any less poor.

Am I saying you should "feel guilty about using a particular light-bulb"? Certainly not as guilty as depleting the earth natural resources by not supporting the cause to stop using non-renewable resources. If you're not for getting off using non-renewable resources, you are against it.

Denial is the first sign of guilt and a sign of immaturity. One who cannot see their shortcomings, cannot handle the possibility that they are imperfect. The sooner people own up to their mistakes, the sooner we as a race will make progress. Denial of imperfection is pitiful and reflects poorly; it is this way because it is so very clear that no one is able to be perfect and denial of that appears bullheaded.

Simply because you feel helpless in a situation, does not require you to distort your beliefs to better serve your ego, i.e. some may say: "there's nothing I can do about it so I will just say there's nothing wrong with it".

LesGovt said:

Virtually the entire society is guilty of what you believe to be "selfish" behavior. Balderdash! And... Folderol! <---- I threw that in for the fun of it. LOL!

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Let me ask you .. if everyone in society jumped off a bridge .. would you do that too? Using your logic, if everyone started murdering people, it would be O.K. because "virtually everyone" is guilty of it. Your reasoning holds no water. It just looks more like a cop-out than anything.

Ockham said:

... and if I want to use incandescent light bulbs and pay more for them and the energy they waste, that's my business.

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Your statement begs extrapolation. What are your limits?