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Thread: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    beer + guns = stupid idea < appalling idea = crack + grenades

    If you do not believe this inequality holds, I'd be happy to let you test it yourself. We can declare an area for those who want no restrictions and observe whether things are working in harmony in 10 years. This is the physicist or statistician approach.
    What you even talking about? If you kill someone you held accountable. It doesn't even matter how you go about doing it. If you do it you are punished. You example doesn't even cover crack in general, nor does cover grenades. Its people being stupid and harmful which isn't something that has to happen in either case or having them combined. Give me a real reason why crack or Grenades need to be banned. Potential harm is not good enough.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I agree that a man should allowed to be stupid.
    But the same man should not allowed to be dangerous....to society...to himself, I do not care....reduce the surplus population.
    So NO to the energy wasting bulbs, addictive drugs, and the weapons of ,IMO, mass destruction.
    Everything can be dangerous. Ban everything and sit in a box.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me when people consider the constitution some kind of holy document. Seriously people? Did some otherworldly creatures create this holy text? Where they not capable of greed? Where they fully capable of predicting the future and the needs therein? Oh yeah ... those guys were totally against slavery too right? Come on people. Try arguing from an ethical and economic standpoint for once ... instead of falling back on some dead guys who made a pretty good document for their time. Jeesh!
    Where does it fail today? Because it doesn't offer you the avenues to abuse freedom? It doesn't allow you to create welfare state? Where exactly does it fail? You guys always go into this bull**** when your abuse is corrected but its not helpful to you.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Everything can be dangerous. Ban everything and sit in a box.
    As I've often stated, many are too naive to understand basic cost/benefit analysis. In this case, the need for something, the max potential harm and the likelihood of doing damage in the wrong hands are how we choose what to ban or restrict access to.
    Last edited by Mathematician; 08-17-11 at 07:48 PM.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Where does it fail today? Because it doesn't offer you the avenues to abuse freedom? It doesn't allow you to create welfare state? Where exactly does it fail? You guys always go into this bull**** when your abuse is corrected but its not helpful to you.
    As a simple start, it's because it DOES allow people to abuse the meaning of freedom.
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    As I've often stated, many are too naive to understand basic cost/benefit analysis. In this case, the need for something, the max potential harm and the likelihood of doing damage in the wrong hands are how we choose what to ban or restrict access to.
    I'm not to naive to not understand it, I just don't think its relevant. If no harm was caused, no harm was caused. Therefore, no punishment is needed. If you wish to just strip freedom from people for potentials you might as well do what I just said about the box.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    As a simple start, it's because it DOES allow people to abuse the meaning of freedom.
    No, it doesn't. You are sick individual is all. You just believe that government is best when people are controlled. To even claim for a minute as if you even care for term and its abuses is laughable. Its isn't a abuse of freedom if it doesn't stop others freedoms.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not to naive to not understand it, I just don't think its relevant. If no harm was caused, no harm was caused. Therefore, no punishment is needed. If you wish to just strip freedom from people for potentials you might as well do what I just said about the box.
    Maybe you'll understand after a young punk or gang member tosses a grenade at your doorstep...
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Maybe you'll understand after a young punk or gang member tosses a grenade at your doorstep...
    So then they will cause property damage and need punishment. Sounds like you are playing into my hands.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So then they will cause property damage and need punishment. Sounds like you are playing into my hands.
    I'm glad you don't mind your house blown up since you are supporting them. What do you see as the benefit of buying them?
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

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