View Poll Results: Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

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  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

    20 26.32%
  • I like the ban! Bring on new lighting technology!

    20 26.32%
  • I dont care either way!

    13 17.11%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

    19 25.00%
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Thread: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Less, where have you been? The government has banned low mileage automobile fleets and low efficiency air conditioners. And, what is happening now is low efficiency trucks are being banned. And many of the manufactures of these things support the so called banes because their products will cost a little more and save a lot.
    Where have I been? Well, I was born in Chicago, but moved to Missouri when I was... Oh wait, you were just asking a silly question. Sorry, my bad!

    I am all for manufacturers improving their products. I have said that throughout these debates. What I am against is oppressive, authoritarian tyranny.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I am all for manufacturers improving their products. I have said that throughout these debates. What I am against is oppressive, authoritarian tyranny.
    I'm also against oppressive, authoritarian tyranny. We have to not let that happen. But, I don't think air conditioner, car fleet, truck fleet, light bulbs standards are oppressive, authoritarian tyranny. They enable progress. Sorry, I'm an engineer and I understand what prevents improvement and why these laws are needed.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I'm also against oppressive, authoritarian tyranny. We have to not let that happen. But, I don't think air conditioner, car fleet, truck fleet, light bulbs standards are oppressive, authoritarian tyranny. They enable progress. Sorry, I'm an engineer and I understand what prevents improvement and why these laws are needed.
    So explain to us what prevents improvement.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I'm also against oppressive, authoritarian tyranny. We have to not let that happen. But, I don't think air conditioner, car fleet, truck fleet, light bulbs standards are oppressive, authoritarian tyranny. They enable progress. Sorry, I'm an engineer and I understand what prevents improvement and why these laws are needed.
    I know. I have seen this argument several times today. You know more than the masses. And the masses are stupid. I got your point, even if it is incorrect and that you know why oppressive authoritarian tyranny should exist.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Nope. Just arguing against the know-it-all elites who know better than the masses, but really don't want to take meaningful measures to reduce pollution and minimize energy usage.
    There is a reason words such as "expert" exist in our vocabulary. You are confusing a know-it-all with an expert in a given field. Those who have less understanding of areas should respect those who have more. This holds for each subject independently. I will defeat the majority of masses you can toss at me in mathematics, whereas the masses will defeat me in an area such as cooking. Let me handle the jobs which require mathematical analysis and you can prepare dinner.
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by extrastrictman View Post
    There is a reason words such as "expert" exist in our vocabulary. You are confusing a know-it-all with an expert in a given field. Those who have less understanding of areas should respect those who have more. This holds for each subject independently. I will defeat the majority of masses you can toss at me in mathematics, whereas the masses will defeat me in an area such as cooking. Let me handle the jobs which require mathematical analysis and you can prepare dinner.
    Bernanke was an expert in finance when he told us that the banks were on solid footing.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    What I am against is oppressive, authoritarian tyranny.
    If you think that banning incandescent light bulbs is oppressive, authoritarian tyranny then you should probably take a trip to Syria right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Bernanke was an expert in finance when he told us that the banks were on solid footing.
    The final quote in my signature block covers this argument. While an expert is not correct 100% of the time, their chances of being correct are significantly greater than a non-expert's.
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by extrastrictman View Post
    There is a reason words such as "expert" exist in our vocabulary. You are confusing a know-it-all with an expert in a given field. Those who have less understanding of areas should respect those who have more. This holds for each subject independently. I will defeat the majority of masses you can toss at me in mathematics, whereas the masses will defeat me in an area such as cooking. Let me handle the jobs which require mathematical analysis and you can prepare dinner.
    Ah, again you fail to understand. I love experts. I think experts are needed and add much to society. Their expertise can assist the "stupid" masses understand what products they should or should not purchase. The experts turn from experts to oppressive, authoritarian tyrants the moment they start to cram down the throats of the "stupid" masses whatever it is that they believe must be desired. Experts will tell you that a Smart Car gets better mileage than full-sized car, assuming they were even manufactured today. I don't want to own a Smart Car. The experts can provide statistics and reasons why they think a product would be beneficial, but that does not mean that for the individual, the Smart Car is the most beneficial. To force people to purchase it is oppressive authoritarian tyranny.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If you think that banning incandescent light bulbs is oppressive, authoritarian tyranny then you should probably take a trip to Syria right now.
    No thanks. Just because there are grades of tyranny does not mean that tyranny does not exist. Try again.

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