View Poll Results: Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

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  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

    20 26.32%
  • I like the ban! Bring on new lighting technology!

    20 26.32%
  • I dont care either way!

    13 17.11%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

    19 25.00%
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    How much energy? And what is the unit we are going to go with? Even if it's kilowatt-hours, kWh per what? Per hour of use? Per page? Per thousand keystrokes? Per typewriter? One cannot start to analyze the energy efficiency of anything until one gets an appropriate unit of measure.
    Thank you for making my argument that we should ban air conditioners and autos rather than lightbulbs. Lightbulbs use very little energy. The manual typewriter uses no electricity. The electric one does. Using the manual saves 100% of the energy used by the electric. If it doesn't save enough, it doesn't matter because real energy savings could be achieved, but your side does not advocate saving energy from the sources that use the most energy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Regarding this lightbulb mess, why is it that conservatives aren't pushing for researching ever increased efficiencies (in terms of lumens per watt) that would would render this entire debate moot? Why can't they push for something that would make our descendants laugh at the fact that we had to settle for incandescent light bulbs and then CFLs? Why do they mire us down in these stupid and false debates instead of pushing for something that's going to lift us all right out of them? THAT's the American Spirit, Les. THAT's what it means to be a patriot: Anything the world does, America can do better. At least, that's what it used to mean. Now, I wonder.
    I don't believe you understand the conservative argument. We favor research and development of all types of energy including wind, solar, battery, fossil fuels, nuclear, and hydro. If someone could make a car that gets 1,000 mpg gallon, please make it. Some people will buy it. If someone could make a lightbulb that could last 40 years, please make it. If someone could make a truck that can carry 50,000 lbs and get 100 mpg, please make it. Conservatives would be delighted if each of these were achieved.

    Where we differ is that we do not believe that tyranny is the American Spirit. We do not believe that tyranny is patriotic. I agree that America can do anything better and I don't wonder about that at all. I have faith in the "stupid" masses as well as the elites, at least, those who do not believe in tyranny.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I don't think the Founding Fathers banned the purchase of any item. Also, I don't believe the Founding Fathers thought the people were stupid.


    1807, the prohibition of the importation of slaves.

    It became illegal to buy a slave from outside the country.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    My point is, if it is, people will choose it.
    The trouble of course, is that these better bulbs are so expensive...
    So, naturally the people will buy the cheapest, as we have for the past 6,000 years.
    I do not think that they are convinced that the LED is more economical in the long run. Of this, I am not convinced of either...
    Our government tells us that the old bulbs waste too much energy...but far too many do not trust "our government".
    Why ?
    Advertising... the biggest lie in America...who will believe anything that they say ?
    So we badly need reform here...truth in advertising...real reform...

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Actually, they very much did think people were stupid and unable to govern themselves.
    Can you produce quotes where the Founding Fathers said that "the people" were stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Hence why there is so much removal between the people and the government. Originally senators were not elected by popular vote, the electoral college prevents a direct popular vote from determining the president, we do not elect supreme court justices, and don't forget that only the elite of the population were originally permitted to vote at all. Only rich landowners could vote in 1787.
    I don't take issue with most of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    As for the banning of certain items... Of course there were laws banning various things. Every country has some. If you look at what laws existed in that year, you'll find some. And you'll certainly find others enacted quite quickly afterwords.
    Can you show us a commodity where the Founding Fathers set minimal standards on before it could be purchased by the public and could not be sold anywhere in the United States?

    [/quote]As for the lightbulb thing... Sure, let's update our standards to use better technology. Whining about the freedom to use a worse product is just stupid. Get with the modern world, people.[/QUOTE]

    Update our standards? Fine, but do so in a non-tyrannical way. Let the people choose which product they want.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post


    1807, the prohibition of the importation of slaves.

    It became illegal to buy a slave from outside the country.
    ROFLMAO!!! So you believe that slaves were nothing more than a commodity like a lightbulb. Interesting.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I don't think the Founding Fathers banned the purchase of any item. Also, I don't believe the Founding Fathers thought the people were stupid.
    But the people were "stupid", back then, uneducated and ignorant..
    The only book for most was the Bible, there was little or no education.
    So what CriticalThought said was correct...to an extent.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    ROFLMAO!!! So you believe that slaves were nothing more than a commodity like a lightbulb. Interesting.
    Pretty much. You don't know much about history, do ya?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    But the people were "stupid", back then, uneducated and ignorant..
    The only book for most was the Bible, there was little or no education.
    So what CriticalThought said was correct...to an extent.
    I disagree. People were not stupid. People today are not stupid. Only the elite know-it-alls believe that. They may have been uneducated or ignorant, but both terms are different from stupid. If the masses today are uneducated or ignorant about the newer bulbs, it should be the job of the manufacturers to educate the masses so they are no longer ignorant [if indeed they are] and they can then purchase whatever lightbulb they wish because they would be well-informed. But, that is not what the tyrants desire. They want oppressive authoritarian laws to force their beliefs on others.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Pretty much. You don't know much about history, do ya?
    Wow! You just admitted that you believe that selling human beings is the same as selling a commodity. Unreal!

    Actually, I would bet that I know a quite a bit about the history of the U.S. from approximately 1770 to 1810 as well as the Constitution. Studying that history has been my passion for the past twenty years or so.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    The argument by the proponents of lightbulb bannings has not been to minimize the impact of pollution or reduce wasted energy. If either of those would have been the argument, they would seek a ban on air conditioning units and automobiles. Picking on lightbulbs is not even a serious effort.
    Less, where have you been? The government has banned low mileage automobile fleets and low efficiency air conditioners. And, what is happening now is low efficiency trucks are being banned. And many of the manufactures of these things support the so called banes because their products will cost a little more and save a lot.

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