View Poll Results: Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

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  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

    20 26.32%
  • I like the ban! Bring on new lighting technology!

    20 26.32%
  • I dont care either way!

    13 17.11%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

    19 25.00%
  • OTHER / I dont know / Chimichanga

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Thread: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Tell it to the founding fathers. Our Constitution was written by elitists to keep the stupid masses in check.

    Funny how being anti intellectual somehow equates to freedom.
    I don't think the Founding Fathers banned the purchase of any item. Also, I don't believe the Founding Fathers thought the people were stupid.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Ah, the argument that the masses are stupid and we, the elite, know better. That's pathetic.
    Ah, the argument that the intelligent are stupid, and those who have demonstrated very little knowledge on the subject actually know better. That's pathetic.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    True. However, the electric type writer actually allows for a savings in energy by increasing efficiency significantly beyond that of the manual typewriter, so that the energy costs are actually lower.
    Sorry, but the argument here is not about efficiency or cost savings from efficiency. The argument here is that we do not have a right to waste energy. The electric typewriter uses energy and that causes pollution. The manual typewriter does not. According to the elites here, the electric typewriter should be banned and so should computers, printers, etc.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Interesting how you made a debate about a light bulb into a debate about populism.
    I find it more interesting how the elites can turn a lightbulb into oppressive, authortarian tyranny.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Democracy is just two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. Why that is so hard for you populists to understand, I do not know.
    ROFL!! I understand that elitists believe they know better than the masses who are stupid. I believe you have stated that agree with that. I don't think the masses are stupid. I believe that if given choices in lightbulbs, the masses will choose the one that best fits their needs.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Ah, the argument that the intelligent are stupid, and those who have demonstrated very little knowledge on the subject actually know better. That's pathetic.
    ROFL!!! I have never said that the elite or the intelligent are stupid. People from your side of the argument have literally said that the masses, which include intelligent people, are stupid. Nice try to flip the argument, but you have erred.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Sorry, but the argument here is not about efficiency or cost savings from efficiency. The argument here is that we do not have a right to waste energy. The electric typewriter uses energy and that causes pollution. The manual typewriter does not. According to the elites here, the electric typewriter should be banned and so should computers, printers, etc.
    How much energy? And what is the unit we are going to go with? Even if it's kilowatt-hours, kWh per what? Per hour of use? Per page? Per thousand keystrokes? Per typewriter? One cannot start to analyze the energy efficiency of anything until one gets an appropriate unit of measure.

    Regarding this lightbulb mess, why is it that conservatives aren't pushing for researching ever increased efficiencies (in terms of lumens per watt) that would would render this entire debate moot? Why can't they push for something that would make our descendants laugh at the fact that we had to settle for incandescent light bulbs and then CFLs? Why do they mire us down in these stupid and false debates instead of pushing for something that's going to lift us all right out of them? THAT's the American Spirit, Les. THAT's what it means to be a patriot: Anything the world does, America can do better. At least, that's what it used to mean. Now, I wonder.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    True. But slippery slopes go both ways. We could find that banning incandescent light bulbs was such a good idea that we then try find other obsolete technology to ban and benefit our society immensely. You can't argue that all slippery slopes lead to bad consequences, and given that you aren't presenting any evidence to demonstrate how this will lead to negative consequences, it is just as likely that it could lead to positive consequences.
    This is what happens when 'slippery slope' is taken as some kind of a legit form of argument... good slippery slopes... hey, why discriminate? Because it is meant as a negative; it's stupid in the first place; it can be done about anything; stop it. Slippery slope should be a logical fallacy, if it is not already.

    To recap:

    Kids, don't employ slippery slope arguments. They're stupid and could be made about absolutely anything. Countering a slippery slope argument with positive slippery slopyness is not permitted. OK, that's all for now.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I don't think the Founding Fathers banned the purchase of any item. Also, I don't believe the Founding Fathers thought the people were stupid.
    Actually, they very much did think people were stupid and unable to govern themselves. Hence why there is so much removal between the people and the government. Originally senators were not elected by popular vote, the electoral college prevents a direct popular vote from determining the president, we do not elect supreme court justices, and don't forget that only the elite of the population were originally permitted to vote at all. Only rich landowners could vote in 1787.

    As for the banning of certain items... Of course there were laws banning various things. Every country has some. If you look at what laws existed in that year, you'll find some. And you'll certainly find others enacted quite quickly afterwords.



    As for the lightbulb thing... Sure, let's update our standards to use better technology. Whining about the freedom to use a worse product is just stupid. Get with the modern world, people.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Let's start banning older cars. Narf.

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