View Poll Results: Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

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  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

    20 26.32%
  • I like the ban! Bring on new lighting technology!

    20 26.32%
  • I dont care either way!

    13 17.11%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

    19 25.00%
  • OTHER / I dont know / Chimichanga

    4 5.26%
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Thread: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. You do not have a right to pollute when there are alternatives.
    Of course we do. Bikes would be an absolute alternative for some people. Mass transportation would be another. Maybe you wish people weren't allowed to make a choice but that does not make it so.

    Cars aren't an alternative to bikes nor were they meant to replace them. That's like saying candles are alternatives to sunlight or lifesavers are alternatives to boats.
    If I live two blocks from work, why isn't walking or biking a legitimate alternative? If I live on a bus route, again, I am allowed to chose how I will get to work even if one pollutes more.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I always find it funny when Libertarians and the like think they have a right to pollute the planet the rest of us have to share with them.
    I sure hope you figure out what is polluting exactly.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Of course we do. Bikes would be an absolute alternative for some people. Mass transportation would be another. Maybe you wish people weren't allowed to make a choice but that does not make it so.



    If I live two blocks from work, why isn't walking or biking a legitimate alternative? If I live on a bus route, again, I am allowed to chose how I will get to work even if one pollutes more.
    ...and what percentage of the population lives two blocks from work? I do, but this is clearly uncommon, and thus I walk to work.

    Let's get back to the main subject of this thread. Please provide your argument of how the new light bulb is going to worsen anyone's life. Your argument supporting the bicycle is that for "some" it is an alternative. My argument supporting the new light bulb is that for "everyone" it is a reasonable alternative.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Actually, it should be none of your business if a person wants to do something that you believe is wasteful and costs money. Another person may not agree with you. You are far too much of a know-it-all and that is why you have tyrannical leanings. Now, go sell your car, purchase a bicycle, and come back when you are not quite so hypocritical.
    I have a bicycle and use it, everyone should to support our troops! The new efficiency standards were not based on my beliefs they were based on the assessment by experts that energy inefficiency is harmful to health, the environment, and the economy.

    Even in colonial America they had regulations to require people to **** 4o yards from the fort. Did that impinge on the settler's "freedom" to **** in the fort if they so chose?
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have a bicycle and use it, everyone should to support our troops! The new efficiency standards were not based on my beliefs they were based on the assessment by experts that energy inefficiency is harmful to health, the environment, and the economy.

    Even in colonial America they had regulations to require people to **** 4o yards from the fort. Did that impinge on the settler's "freedom" to **** in the fort if they so chose?
    The fort is the property of the state. The state can make rules on where restrooms will be on their property. Bad comparison.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The fort is the property of the state. The state can make rules on where restrooms will be on their property. Bad comparison.

    The State can also pass regulations about your indoor plumbing.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You know what? No, I'm not going to just yet. I want to first see if you are actually able to hold a civilized debate. I want to know: Do you think we should preserve incandescent bulbs or switch over to CFLs?
    The new standards do not require switching to CFLs. There are incandescent light bulbs now that meet the new standards and they can be purchased at Home Depot for $3 for a two bulb package.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The State can also pass regulations about your indoor plumbing.
    I would question it. Federally they can not. State wise it should be illegal.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Cars have pollution control systems. And in my state if your car does not pass a pollution inspection you can not drive it on the road, legally.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I would question it. Federally they can not. State wise it should be illegal.

    Statutory Authority

    The Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA) (42 U.S.C. 6291, et seq.) established the Energy Conservation Program for Consumer Products Other than Automobiles, covering major household appliances including plumbing products. The Energy Policy Act of 1992 subsequently amended EPCA by requiring updated energy conservation standards for plumbing products if American Society of Mechanical Engineers/American National Standards Institute Standard A112.18.1M-1989 or A1129.6-1990 is updated. (42 U.S.C. 6295(j)(3);(k)(3))



    Appliances and Commercial Equipment Standards: Plumbing Products Rulemaking


    They also can pass regulations on the water coming into your house.

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