View Poll Results: Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

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  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

    20 26.32%
  • I like the ban! Bring on new lighting technology!

    20 26.32%
  • I dont care either way!

    13 17.11%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

    19 25.00%
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You know what? No, I'm not going to just yet. I want to first see if you are actually able to hold a civilized debate. I want to know: Do you think we should preserve incandescent bulbs or switch over to CFLs?
    Not a problem with having a civil debate. It will be quite refreshing. I think we should offer the old bulbs and the new bulbs. The manufacturers of the newer bulbs should sell the concept of their new bulbs to the public and the public can then decide which bulb to purchase. That is free enterprise and freedom.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    And if their product is superior, it will sell.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I'm not following you here. If I choose to dump a thousand pounds of mercury in a nearby river, that is going to affect a LOT of other people, not to mention the environment as a whole. Such a crime should be punished because of that effect, not in spite of it.

    Making energy more efficient, cleaner, and more cost-effective needs to be done at all levels of the chain. We need more efficient harvesting of resources, more efficient power stations that convert those resources into electricity, a smarter grid that sends that electrical energy to our homes/offices/factories, and more efficient appliances to use that energy. More efficient light bulbs addresses that last point.

    It's interesting to note, BTW, that Americans have little problem with more efficient bulbs. Hell, some CFLs have a cool enough color temperature that you can hardly distinguish them from incandescent light.
    A key point to add is the cost/benefit analysis of changes in lifestyle as a result. LesGovt needs to realize that the agony of having to change a type of light bulb pales in comparison to walking 10 miles to work in order to save gasoline.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    This whole argument wont be necessary in a year or two...all of us will be using LEDs because they are far cheaper to run...produce minimal heat like flourescents last longer than any other bulb out there so you dont have to change them nearly as much...and when they finally do burn out...just tossem in the trash like incandescents..

    LEDs will rule soon...and end this argument on light bulbs

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Not a problem with having a civil debate. It will be quite refreshing. I think we should offer the old bulbs and the new bulbs. The manufacturers of the newer bulbs should sell the concept of their new bulbs to the public and the public can then decide which bulb to purchase. That is free enterprise and freedom.
    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And if their product is superior, it will sell.
    Turns out, guys, it is. At least, the majority of Americans seem to think so. Because if we're talking strictly in terms of cost per day, averaged out, CFLs' longer life span reduces its relative purchase cost vs. incandescents. But the real savings comes from the reduced power used for the bulb. It depends on the kWh rate, how often the bulb is used, etc., but here is a relatively simple way to calculate how much you could save with CFLs or incandescents. All this bill, signed in to law back in 2007, does is to say that incandescents need to pick up the pace...or start packing.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    This whole argument wont be necessary in a year or two...all of us will be using LEDs because they are far cheaper to run...produce minimal heat like flourescents last longer than any other bulb out there so you dont have to change them nearly as much...and when they finally do burn out...just tossem in the trash like incandescents..

    LEDs will rule soon...and end this argument on light bulbs
    I think you may be right. One big advantage that LEDs have over CFLs is--no mercury!

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by extrastrictman View Post
    LesGovt needs to realize that the agony of having to change a type of light bulb pales in comparison to walking 10 miles to work in order to save gasoline.
    I did not say walk. I said ride a bicycle. Big difference. Now about the comparison, according to the people here arguing for reducing energy usage, as well as minimizing pollution, one would have to consider the reward for taking each action. When it comes to the absolute ultimate goal of saving energy and minimizing pollution, the reward of not using automobiles would be far, far, far, far greater than the usage of the old lightbulbs. The lightbulbs would pale in comparison to not driving 10 miles to work and back.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Turns out, guys, it is. At least, the majority of Americans seem to think so. Because if we're talking strictly in terms of cost per day, averaged out, CFLs' longer life span reduces its relative purchase cost vs. incandescents. But the real savings comes from the reduced power used for the bulb. It depends on the kWh rate, how often the bulb is used, etc., but here is a relatively simple way to calculate how much you could save with CFLs or incandescents. All this bill, signed in to law back in 2007, does is to say that incandescents need to pick up the pace...or start packing.

    I think you may be right. One big advantage that LEDs have over CFLs is--no mercury!
    Great! Glad to hear it. So now you agree that the law is not needed and that the product will be an easy sell to the public. Is that now your contention?

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    I always find it funny when Libertarians and the like think they have a right to pollute the planet the rest of us have to share with them.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Great! Glad to hear it. So now you agree that the law is not needed and that the product will be an easy sell to the public. Is that now your contention?
    Being better doesn't mean it'll be an easy sell or certain laws are not needed. Cars weren't an easy sell and there was rampart opposition to their use in North American and Europe. When governments across the world started passing laws regarding the creation of roads, speed and what was the called "street life"(street vendors, shoe shiners etc), this all changed.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Great! Glad to hear it. So now you agree that the law is not needed and that the product will be an easy sell to the public. Is that now your contention?
    Is the law actually needed or not? It was a part of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which did things such as raise the CAFE standards on automobiles. One thing I learned while reading its wikipedia entry is that halogen bulbs are similar in design and function to incandescents yet are about 25% more efficient. Perhaps they could take the place of incandescents in situations where CFLs are just not practical. (With LEDs, it may be too early to tell.)

    I can't give you a straight answer to your question yet because I honestly don't know. Personally, the requirement simply strikes me as speeding up a process that is already taking place. I suppose that is a good thing. I do know, however, that the majority of Americans aren't opposed to the requirements at all; in fact, some straight-up WANT them. (source posted earlier)

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