View Poll Results: Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

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  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

    20 26.32%
  • I like the ban! Bring on new lighting technology!

    20 26.32%
  • I dont care either way!

    13 17.11%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

    19 25.00%
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Thread: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

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    So you support gay marriage?
    I support gay unions which carry the same rights and privileges as marriage. Just don't call it marriage.

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    Abortion rights?
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    Legalization of marijuana?
    Yes - all drugs in fact, with one stipulation. That public tax money not be used for any purchase of the drugs themselves or rehabilitation of users.


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    If you support these rights of choice - then you might consider light bulb efficiency standards to be an evil restriction of your freedom.
    I did before and I do still.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I support gay unions which carry the same rights and privileges as marriage. Just don't call it marriage.

    Only under very strict circumstances.

    Yes - all drugs in fact, with one stipulation. That public tax money not be used for any purchase of the drugs themselves or rehabilitation of users.


    I did before and I do still.
    Then you can rightly bitch about light bulbs.

    I just don't want someone who thinks it's their right to tell others what to do with their personal life to bitch about a light bulb - because marriage and medical decisions are much higher on my list than light bulb efficiency.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Apparently, nearly 60% of the posters here are against this so-called ban.
    This bodes ill for Mr Obama....our nation is not ready for progression..
    For the masses...they may not even notice...and for the libs...I see another 20 years of misery...as we fall even further back, even becoming a third world nation.
    All this over a light bulb....
    Just want to point out that this bill was signed by Bush in 2007.

    And, as another poster pointed out, the light bulb companies that make incandescent bulbs are for the current policy. They consider it an incentive for them to innovate their light bulbs to be more efficient without it truly affecting their bottom line. (It sounds like one of those things where no one company wants to be the one to "take one for the team" by being the first to spend the money and affect their profits by coming up with a more energy efficient incandescent bulb.) Which means that if a repeal of this ban doesn't happen soon, which it doesn't look like one will, it won't matter if it happens at all, because once the companies have the technology down to make the more efficient light bulbs, it is unlikely that they will go back to making the less energy efficient light bulbs. And this means that the public won't be able to buy the old type of bulb anyway because they won't be being made.
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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    It's about choice. Why can't I choose cereal with razor blades in it or salmonella tainted food?

    Stupid government and it's regulations.
    LOL. The things I would tell you if only you would listen. Wear your chains lightly.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just want to point out that this bill was signed by Bush in 2007.

    And, as another poster pointed out, the light bulb companies that make incandescent bulbs are for the current policy. They consider it an incentive for them to innovate their light bulbs to be more efficient without it truly affecting their bottom line. (It sounds like one of those things where no one company wants to be the one to "take one for the team" by being the first to spend the money and affect their profits by coming up with a more energy efficient incandescent bulb.) Which means that if a repeal of this ban doesn't happen soon, which it doesn't look like one will, it won't matter if it happens at all, because once the companies have the technology down to make the more efficient light bulbs, it is unlikely that they will go back to making the less energy efficient light bulbs. And this means that the public won't be able to buy the old type of bulb anyway because they won't be being made.
    Here is how they are meeting those goals.

    Production of Light Bulbs in US Dwindles As Factories Close

    The 2007 legislation which bans incandescent light bulbs by 2014 is manifesting disagreeable consequences in manufacturing. Most major lighting manufacturers have spent the last few years refocusing their operations toward a more energy efficient end. Unfortunately for factory workers in the US, energy efficient light bulbs construction is much more manual-labor intensive. The increase in cost causes manufacturers to look for cheaper ways to do business, and one of the first things to be done is usually moving manual labor jobs to China.

    Outsourcing light bulbs jobs to China is ironic considering the promises made by our government that the move to energy efficient lighting would create more manufacturing jobs.

    Production of Light Bulbs in US Dwindles As Factories Close

    So you can feel good about buying a light bulb for $7.50 while your neighbor loses his job.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    LOL While FilmFestGuy's analogy may be a bit extreme .. I think you understand the point he is making. He knows the two aren't comparable, but that does not make the principle of the matter any less true.
    It misses the point. You and he should consider the difference between a government bureaucrat deciding how much water your toilet can use or what kind of light bulb you must buy and your freedom to choose among a wide variety of goods and services. This is not about protecting the consumer from defective products but about restricting our choices by government fiat.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So Kellogg has such a right to manufacture such a product, yes or no?
    Sigh. Never mind. Some people are simply not suited to be free.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    On a more serious note, are you really suggesting that such an act would be perfectly OK if a city council approved it?
    No. Of course not. But the city council is within my easy reach. Tyranny is tyranny no matter where it originates. But tyranny at the lowest possible level can be dealt with. I can move. I can protest and make their lives miserable until they repeal their moronic rules. It is much harder to leave the US than it is to move to the next county.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just want to point out that this bill was signed by Bush in 2007.

    ... Which means that if a repeal of this ban doesn't happen soon, which it doesn't look like one will, it won't matter if it happens at all, because once the companies have the technology down to make the more efficient light bulbs, it is unlikely that they will go back to making the less energy efficient light bulbs. And this means that the public won't be able to buy the old type of bulb anyway because they won't be being made.
    I need to explain from an engineers POV. The ban only applies to two common sizes of standard incandescents; I think its the standard base 60w & 100w. I think halogen, longer life, incandescents are still legal since they a somewhat more efficient. What I like about the law is that it allows me to use a 60w incandescent, halogen and a little more expensive, where I need an incandescent There are scads of incandescents that are still legal. Going back to making 60w & 100w would take about a week or two. Its not like making a drug or old computer part.

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    Re: Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just want to point out that this bill was signed by Bush in 2007.

    And, as another poster pointed out, the light bulb companies that make incandescent bulbs are for the current policy.
    A bad law is a bad law. The companies that make lighting are for it because the profit margins are very large. And we shall all be compelled to pay them their price. Ain't politics grand?

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