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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?

    Quote Originally Posted by makkam View Post
    True, except I think it has nothing to do with "on the clock". For instance, if I were the president, all areas of my life and my immediate families life are likely under scrutiny, but by competent security organizations who can make informed decisions about what they see or uncover. This happens around the clock, not just simply on the clock and I agree with that. What I don't like is the general public (that's what I'm thinking this post is about) having the same access to that kind of information, like private emails. There's no need for them to know any of that unless that person actually did something wrong.
    The post is not about private emails its about emails they make while they are on the clock on the tax payer's time.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Reduced is not the same as eliminated. Public officials still should not be treated like slaves to appease the simple minded.
    you are creating a straw man argument - nobody has ever argued that they are slaves.

    they are servants, and their work email is subject to review and release. every time you hop on a government computer, by using that computer, you are agreeing to monitoring and public oversight of your actions.

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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The post is not about private emails its about emails they make while they are on the clock on the tax payer's time.
    Oh god, well then of course. I've made personal emails on my job and I expect politicians to do the same. No need to be d**k-strict about it. But as far as relating to work, absolutely, they should be made public. Without question.

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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Hmm, it looks like I'm in the minority in this thread, which actually surprises me. No, their emails should absolutely NOT be made public. It will just lead officials to self-censor, and that doesn't help the public. In order to govern effectively, officials need to be able to share ideas openly with one another, float trial balloons of new ideas, compromise with their political opponents, and yes, just blow off some steam like everyone else. If they know that their emails are going to be made public, these things will all be much harder to accomplish.

    The exception to this is if their records are subpoenaed due to possible wrongdoing, or if the politician in question consents to it.
    I would not be opposed to some kind rule in which the e-mails of a public official are sealed for 50 years after they leave office unless that seal is broken by a court order.

    This is how the Swiss Federal Council operates. The SFC is one of the few government executive branches that operate under a collegial system rather than under a presidential system. That is each of the seven councillors operates an executive department and they govern in a collective fashion. All of their meetings are secret and their voting record on issues are sealed for 50 years. This is to preserve consensus of their collective executive.

    So I have no problem with that. Since the youngest age a person can enter office is 18, that means their age will be 68 when those e-mail could become public, and he (or the constituents at that time) would be too old to deal with any fallout from the decisions made at that time.

    So yeah, a 50-year seal record arrangement would be fine with me.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    I want to see the e-mails of Sen. Barack Obama, if there are any.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Originally posted by samsmart

    I would not be opposed to some kind rule in which the e-mails of a public official are sealed for 50 years after they leave office unless that seal is broken by a court order.

    This is how the Swiss Federal Council operates. The SFC is one of the few government executive branches that operate under a collegial system rather than under a presidential system. That is each of the seven councillors operates an executive department and they govern in a collective fashion. All of their meetings are secret and their voting record on issues are sealed for 50 years. This is to preserve consensus of their collective executive.

    So I have no problem with that. Since the youngest age a person can enter office is 18, that means their age will be 68 when those e-mail could become public, and he (or the constituents at that time) would be too old to deal with any fallout from the decisions made at that time.

    So yeah, a 50-year seal record arrangement would be fine with me.
    Well, not really. If that particular opinion or statement is unpopular at the time it is revealed, it can potentially lead to this man being harassed at the age of 68. We all know how understanding the media can be in regards to personal space. But the damage can also effect his family as well. His sons and daughters, etc.

    It still is a gray area for me. It's perfectly understandable for all forms of official correspondence of a public official to be reviewed with an open policy to promote fair dealings, but then this information becomes conceptualized and abused by people who will use it to promote their own advantages. I'm not sure if it makes to much of a difference. Besides, if you know there's a camre in your room, you learn to sneak around it.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I want to see the e-mails of Sen. Barack Obama, if there are any.
    I believe that the e-mails of governors are covered under state law and the e-mails of representatives and senators are covered under federal law.

    That's one reason why Obama's e-mails haven't been released.

    I would also like to add that I think only e-mail accounts used for government business should be accessed, and that the private e-mail accounts of public officials shouldn't be accessed. However, if a public official uses their private account for government business then they must be considered a public account for these purposes.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by makkam View Post
    Well, not really. If that particular opinion or statement is unpopular at the time it is revealed, it can potentially lead to this man being harassed at the age of 68. We all know how understanding the media can be in regards to personal space. But the damage can also effect his family as well. His sons and daughters, etc.

    It still is a gray area for me. It's perfectly understandable for all forms of official correspondence of a public official to be reviewed with an open policy to promote fair dealings, but then this information becomes conceptualized and abused by people who will use it to promote their own advantages. I'm not sure if it makes to much of a difference. Besides, if you know there's a camre in your room, you learn to sneak around it.
    Note, 18 is the youngest someone can get for most local and/or state positions. Most don't get into office until about the age of 30 or later, which means realistically they'll likely be more like 80 or older.

    And harassment of family members of public officials can be dealt with by the police and the courts. Just because someone is a family member of a public official does not make them inherently a public figure in their own right, and thus protects them from harassment by the press.

    And ANYTHING can be used by a person's political enemies against them, so that's not really a fair defense. I mean Barack and Michelle Obama got criticized for doing a fist bump with each other. Access of information is much more important, especially when public officials must volunteer to run for office.

    If you can't handle the scrutiny then don't run for office.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Access of information is much more important, especially when public officials must volunteer to run for office.

    If you can't handle the scrutiny then don't run for office.
    If politicians actually behaved behind closed doors the way that they behave on C-SPAN (which is basically the standard to which they would be held if their emails were released), nothing would ever get done. Compromise would be impossible and innovative policy ideas would never even be mentioned in government circles.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If politicians actually behaved behind closed doors the way that they behave on C-SPAN (which is basically the standard to which they would be held if their emails were released), nothing would ever get done. Compromise would be impossible and innovative policy ideas would never even be mentioned in government circles.
    Or the electorate should stop holding their public officials to impossible standards to meet and realize that even politicians piss, ****, fart, and **** just like everybody else.
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