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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    awesome. so we can stop paying them then.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Force any system of accountability on politicians and they will legislate a way out of them.

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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    In a way, I agree with Kandahar. Public officials are supposed to help us, but by putting this kind of pressure on them, we make them feel besieged by us, like we are the enemy. We aren't perfect people and that's one main reason anyone would be outraged if they knew their every action was being left open to public speculation. Limited, competent oversight, but not complete public oversight.

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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Hmm, it looks like I'm in the minority in this thread, which actually surprises me. No, their emails should absolutely NOT be made public. It will just lead officials to self-censor, and that doesn't help the public. In order to govern effectively, officials need to be able to share ideas openly with one another, float trial balloons of new ideas, compromise with their political opponents, and yes, just blow off some steam like everyone else. If they know that their emails are going to be made public, these things will all be much harder to accomplish.

    The exception to this is if their records are subpoenaed due to possible wrongdoing, or if the politician in question consents to it.
    How dare you not take the populist, simplistic view of others!

    There is a reason why most government documents are not released immediately due to FoI. After the officials have left office, it is valuable to see how they thought, the things they considered, who they liked and where annoyed with. Having all that immediately available would pretty much cripple their ability to work. Just look at this board: if even a rumor that some unpopular idea is being considered is enough to start a 100 + post thread condemning the official for even considering it. When discussing options for a problem, all options should be considered, even unpopular ones. Having the documents immediately or nearly so available would end the ability of officials to actually consider unpopular options. Officials would spend all their time answering questions about what they wrote, instead of doing what they are being payed to do.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    awesome. so we can stop paying them then.
    That would solve the deficit problem....

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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Public officials are not slaves.
    of course not. they are free to quit at any time, and in the meantime they get paid. But when you go into public service; you are entering a different kind of employment than private sector - and your liberties are subsequently reduced.

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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    of course not. they are free to quit at any time, and in the meantime they get paid. But when you go into public service; you are entering a different kind of employment than private sector - and your liberties are subsequently reduced.
    Reduced is not the same as eliminated. Public officials still should not be treated like slaves to appease the simple minded.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?(assuming they were on the clock)

    Having the documents immediately or nearly so available would end the ability of officials to actually consider unpopular options. Officials would spend all their time answering questions about what they wrote, instead of doing what they are being payed to do.
    Democracy's problem. Swift action is stalled due to conflicting interests...for better or worse

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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?

    Quote Originally Posted by makkam View Post
    NO

    We should not be able to intrude on peoples private lives just because they are public servants. (bus drivers, lawyers, fireman, police...) Even if they did break the law, they should be able to have a trial without becoming the center of the media. The only things that should be revealed are those things found criminal AND having a direct and considerable effect on the public.
    The poll question says nothing about their private lives. Which is why there is "(assuming they were on the clock)". When they are on the clock working for the tax payer then everything they do while on the clock is the business of the tax payer. If they are at home off the clock after COB then the emails they send to other people is their business assuming they are not using tax payer property.
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    Re: Should the emails of politicians be made public?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The poll question says nothing about their private lives. Which is why there is "(assuming they were on the clock)". When they are on the clock working for the tax payer then everything they do while on the clock is the business of the tax payer. If they are at home off the clock after COB then the emails they send to other people is their business assuming they are not using tax payer property.
    True, except I think it has nothing to do with "on the clock". For instance, if I were the president, all areas of my life and my immediate families life are likely under scrutiny, but by competent security organizations who can make informed decisions about what they see or uncover. This happens around the clock, not just simply on the clock and I agree with that. What I don't like is the general public (that's what I'm thinking this post is about) having the same access to that kind of information, like private emails. There's no need for them to know any of that unless that person actually did something wrong.

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