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    Is this ethical?

    Where I work we are piloting a data collection platform for machine run data and product measurement data, either from manual measurements or from automated machine. This platform runs at workstations located at each major operation in the various process steps for the stuff we make. The software at each workstation ties into a central database that I will probably get next month (right now we are running it off an express version of a database to prove that it will work before making a larger investment). This thing is very "chatty" over a network and requires local network speeds to the database to work correctly, so it cannot be housed in corporate's data center (unless we do major phone line upgrades, which won't happen). If it works like we expect, then this platform will get rolled out to all North American plants or possibly world wide to the off shore plants as well.

    So we are talking about over 30 separate database installs plus associated hardware. Our choice is either Oracle or MS SQL Server. Corporate wants to push for Oracle, however the corporate director heading this project is listening to me and I am trying to decide whether to push for SQL Server or Oracle.

    Here is my dilemma. I want to push for SQL Server, for multiple reasons, the major one being that Oracle wont offer us anything to justify the additional cost. However, corporate's point is that they have more Oracle expertise than SQL Server expertise. However, my db certification is in SQL Server (not that I ever used the cert, I just went and got it because I wanted to know how databases worked) and I am sensing a possible change in job title if this thing hits the big time, and corporate quality realizes someone will have to manage this thing full time, especially give the extraordinary mission creep potential this type of project has. I doubt I would get much more if any more pay, but it would be something new and interesting and I tend to like new and interesting situations.

    Is my jockeying ethical?
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Input on what will work best for the employee to get the job done (and therefore be more efficient) doesn't seem unethical to me. They'll ultimately be making the final decision, right?
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Input on what will work best for the employee to get the job done (and therefore be more efficient) doesn't seem unethical to me. They'll ultimately be making the final decision, right?
    Its coming out of quality's budget, so the director will make the final decision.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its coming out of quality's budget, so the director will make the final decision.
    Then I don't see anything wrong with you pushing for something that will make the job easier.
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Where I work we are piloting a data collection platform for machine run data and product measurement data, either from manual measurements or from automated machine. This platform runs at workstations located at each major operation in the various process steps for the stuff we make. The software at each workstation ties into a central database that I will probably get next month (right now we are running it off an express version of a database to prove that it will work before making a larger investment). This thing is very "chatty" over a network and requires local network speeds to the database to work correctly, so it cannot be housed in corporate's data center (unless we do major phone line upgrades, which won't happen). If it works like we expect, then this platform will get rolled out to all North American plants or possibly world wide to the off shore plants as well.

    So we are talking about over 30 separate database installs plus associated hardware. Our choice is either Oracle or MS SQL Server. Corporate wants to push for Oracle, however the corporate director heading this project is listening to me and I am trying to decide whether to push for SQL Server or Oracle.

    Here is my dilemma. I want to push for SQL Server, for multiple reasons, the major one being that Oracle wont offer us anything to justify the additional cost. However, corporate's point is that they have more Oracle expertise than SQL Server expertise. However, my db certification is in SQL Server (not that I ever used the cert, I just went and got it because I wanted to know how databases worked) and I am sensing a possible change in job title if this thing hits the big time, and corporate quality realizes someone will have to manage this thing full time, especially give the extraordinary mission creep potential this type of project has. I doubt I would get much more if any more pay, but it would be something new and interesting and I tend to like new and interesting situations.

    Is my jockeying ethical?
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Mega: you sound like my parents' typical dinner conversations.
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Then I don't see anything wrong with you pushing for something that will make the job easier.
    Well, the push is for which type of database to deploy on the back end. I want to push for the one I understand and can be effective at, while holding open the possibility for a change in job when this thing has a large enough installation base. Ultimately, I see no advantage or disadvantage to the company whether we go Oracle or SQL Server. SQL Server is cheaper though, given how the per processor licensing works.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Here is my dilemma. I want to push for SQL Server, for multiple reasons, the major one being that Oracle wont offer us anything to justify the additional cost. However, corporate's point is that they have more Oracle expertise than SQL Server expertise. However, my db certification is in SQL Server (not that I ever used the cert, I just went and got it because I wanted to know how databases worked) and I am sensing a possible change in job title if this thing hits the big time, and corporate quality realizes someone will have to manage this thing full time, especially give the extraordinary mission creep potential this type of project has. I doubt I would get much more if any more pay, but it would be something new and interesting and I tend to like new and interesting situations.

    Is my jockeying ethical?
    It seems to me you have both personal and operational reasons for your stance, so I think it is ethical. If Oracle is more expensive without adding any extra value to justify the extra expense, that is a very legitimate reason to advocate going with SQL. The fact that you may benefit by getting a new job title is secondary.
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    It seems to me you have both personal and operational reasons for your stance, so I think it is ethical. If Oracle is more expensive without adding any extra value to justify the extra expense, that is a very legitimate reason to advocate going with SQL. The fact that you may benefit by getting a new job title is secondary.
    I just think it would be nice to be full time technical again.

    But you are right I think, if I did believe that Oracle did something special that SQL Server didn't do and this software needed that feature, I would advocate Oracle. However, the vendor tells me that either one would do fine.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Seems fine to me. I dont think its unethical because you arent covering any obvious CONS with the the system you want and you pointed out atleast 1 PRO of the system you want. Not to mention you dont get to make the final decision you are just an adviser?

    Seems fine.
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