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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Ugh, I just looked up DBA salarys on payscale.com. Their salary has gone down. Its now around 60k when it was nearly 80k when I last looked.

    Yeah, I won't be getting any raises for doing this.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, the push is for which type of database to deploy on the back end. I want to push for the one I understand and can be effective at, while holding open the possibility for a change in job when this thing has a large enough installation base. Ultimately, I see no advantage or disadvantage to the company whether we go Oracle or SQL Server. SQL Server is cheaper though, given how the per processor licensing works.
    Ethical. Besides, they are better off with the guy they know and trust, rather than making some unknown new hire who knows Oracle, right?

    Only thing I'd add to the discussion is that there is inherent risk in going with large scale vendor choices that differ from corporate. When things go good, no difference. If things go south, they can say "who the F chose SQL when all our experience is with Oracle???!?" "Oh, that guy". Of course, in your specific situation this may be irrelevant or so improbable it's worth the risk...just saying it tweaked that nerve for me.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I just think it would be nice to be full time technical again.

    But you are right I think, if I did believe that Oracle did something special that SQL Server didn't do and this software needed that feature, I would advocate Oracle. However, the vendor tells me that either one would do fine.



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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not boring, it is like watching two people speak Martian.
    What's bad is that I rewrote it to take as many technical terms out as I could without making the thing into a giant wall of text.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, the push is for which type of database to deploy on the back end. I want to push for the one I understand and can be effective at, while holding open the possibility for a change in job when this thing has a large enough installation base. Ultimately, I see no advantage or disadvantage to the company whether we go Oracle or SQL Server. SQL Server is cheaper though, given how the per processor licensing works.
    Try to put yourself in your boss' shoes.

    If you were promoted to your boss' position what would you say to the replacement who filled your current position if he was pushing for SQL servers over Oracle?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Try to put yourself in your boss' shoes.

    If you were promoted to your boss' position what would you say to the replacement who filled your current position if he was pushing for SQL servers over Oracle?
    I would ask him to justify it with as much data as possible.

    However, my true opinion is that this software is a piece of ****, that was chosen hastily and there are much better options available, however, I would be a pariah if I gave that opinion.
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    lol, and compared to the decision corporate makes on a daily basis, you're at like a 9/10 in terms of how ethical your choice was compared them being daily at about 3/10. It's like a boyscout asking if he should start with the family he knows for fund raising, or the house he hasn't been to yet. That doesn't even registor on their jaded ethics meters!!

    Once you start making about half ethical and half unethical, they'll probably promote you out of fear you're getting wise to them. Hit 3/10 and you're executive material. The bible known as Office Space even touched on this one Just made me laugh in retrospect.


    Good luck. hope it goes your way.
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    lol, and compared to the decision corporate makes on a daily basis, you're at like a 9/10 in terms of how ethical your choice was compared them being daily at about 3/10. It's like a boyscout asking if he should start with the family he knows for fund raising, or the house he hasn't been to yet. That doesn't even registor on their jaded ethics meters!!

    Once you start making about half ethical and half unethical, they'll probably promote you out of fear you're getting wise to them. Hit 3/10 and you're executive material. The bible known as Office Space even touched on this one Good luck. hope it goes your way.
    All I can say is that my integrity is important to me.

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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    All I can say is that my integrity is important to me.
    You're a good dude, bro.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Is this ethical?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I would ask him to justify it with as much data as possible.

    However, my true opinion is that this software is a piece of ****, that was chosen hastily and there are much better options available, however, I would be a pariah if I gave that opinion.
    In that case that's what I would tell your boss and then be ready to suggest those better options if he asks. But if he doesn't want to hear it and is bound and determined to go with Oracle then I would keep my mouth shut and go on with my job.

    I would never be afraid to suggest something based on my honest expert professional opinion to my boss. After all that's what I'm hired to do and what my boss pays me to do. To hold back my honest opinion would not only be unethical but also unprofessional.

    And if my boss got onto me about making that suggestion I would point out that last part to him and say that I'm only trying to look out for the business, and if the boss doesn't want to follow my suggestions then fine but it's still my duty to speak up even if the boss doesn't act on it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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