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Seriously. A billboard??!

Should he be forced to take it down?


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As I said, in this particular case, it sounds like this guy is just a douchebag.

Addressing the idea more generally though, have you considered that having one's SigOther abort one's unborn child against the father's wishes might drive the guy a bit around the bend? A man who wanted that baby, who wanted to be a father, who considered the unilateral abortion to be a shocking betrayal and repudiation of what he thought was a loving relationship, could easily be driven into a temporarily irrational state by such a situation. A reaction like this (billboard) might seem reasonable to someone who felt like their entire world had been laid waste by someone they trusted, in such a disturbed state.

Don't underestimate how terribly such a thing could break a man's heart and ruin his judgement, if he really wanted that child and it was snuffed out before he so much as had a chance to say "Wait a minute..."

(Again, I'm not talking about that guy in the story; I'm speaking more generally.)

We're always being asked to have compassion for the woman with an unwanted pregnancy; I'm turning the coin over and asking for some consideration about a man's feelings when his unborn's life is taken out of his hands without so much as a discussion.

Not in this case.

Fultz, 35, claims that Lawrence was pregnant with his child during their six-month relationship last year. He also claims when the relationship ended, the baby was lost, but he does not know whether it was due to an abortion or a miscarriage. Fultz says that Lawrence would not tell him what happened.

They were only together for six months, rather like my daughter's father and myself. Like I said, you just about have to be on shaky mental ground to begin with to come undone like this guy did.
 
More info. What a charmer.

A petition filed by Fultz' ex-girlfriend said that Fultz had a pattern of stalking and harassment, including posting "intimate cyber shots of me from one of our cyber dates," she wrote. The domestic abuse petition also requested that the billboard be removed and online harassment stopped.
 
There's a reason why I noted, twice, that I wasn't talking about this particular case, but was speaking in general. :shrug:
 
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There's a reason why I noted, twice, that I wasn't talking about this particular case, but was speaking in general. :shrug:

Okay.

And more.

According to Holmes, when Fultz and his girlfriend, who was then 18, found out they were going to have a baby, she wanted to get married. Fultz refused, Holmes said, and during a church camping trip there was a "discussion about an ultimatum. Either you marry me or I'm not going to have this baby type of thing."

The girlfriend later flew to Wisconsin for work and when she returned she was no longer pregnant, Holmes said. She did not explain what happened, but Fultz suspected she had an abortion, Holmes said.

"I know it's her body," Holmes said. "But his statement is more along the lines of 'Hey, you know what? Dads have a decision in the process too."

New Mexico's Right to Life Committee initially endorsed the billboard, but has withdrawn its support because it received a number of emails from people who said Fultz' ex-girlfriend had a miscarriage, not an abortion, said executive director Dauneen Dolce.

She's 18. He's 35. She got pregnant, wanted to get married, he refused. But he wants a say. I'd say he dropped his right to a say.
 
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I wonder if was he planning on putting the baby's pic up there, bought the space, and then . . . whatever happened, happened.

The text uses the word "kill," not "abort." That's the interesting part. If he had said "abort" I wonder if there would be a suit. Defense says "kill" is the right word.

Then there's "...friends say she had a miscarriage," so people other than her doctor know? Does that waive any claim to privacy?
 
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Gah!! Latest information, may wind up double-posted since I just requested the abortion thread and the poll thread be merged.

According to Holmes, when Fultz and his girlfriend, who was then 18, found out they were going to have a baby, she wanted to get married. Fultz refused, Holmes said, and during a church camping trip there was a "discussion about an ultimatum. Either you marry me or I'm not going to have this baby type of thing."

The girlfriend later flew to Wisconsin for work and when she returned she was no longer pregnant, Holmes said. She did not explain what happened, but Fultz suspected she had an abortion, Holmes said.

"I know it's her body," Holmes said. "But his statement is more along the lines of 'Hey, you know what? Dads have a decision in the process too."

New Mexico's Right to Life Committee initially endorsed the billboard, but has withdrawn its support because it received a number of emails from people who said Fultz' ex-girlfriend had a miscarriage, not an abortion, said executive director Dauneen Dolce.


She's 18. He's 35. She got pregnant, wanted to get married, he refused. But he wants a say. I'd say he dropped his right to a say.
 
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1) Nothing wrong with that billboard.

2) If the billboard had mentioned the broad's name....there would have been nothing wrong with the billboard.

Father's gots rights, too.
 
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this remains to be seen.
But a Judge already ordered him to take it down

free speech doesnt allow you to harass or be libel or invade another person privacy like medical history, conditions, procedures.

The father of the murdered child is denied his first amendment right to inform the world who killed his child?
 
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The father of the murdered child is denied his first amendment right to inform the world who killed his child?

He doesn't even know if she aborted or had a miscarriage.

He refused to marry the pregnant mother of his child (who, by the way, is half his age). I couldn't muster sympathy if my life depended on it.
 
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So he DID put the incubator's name on the billboard. Clever.

But then he doesn't know if it was a miscarriage or murder. Most likely the latter, given the statistics.

All he needs to do to escape court charges is to paint over his face. That makes the idenfication of the faulty incubator indefinite and satisfies any urges the judge has to rape the Constitution any more.
 
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Gah!! Latest information, may wind up double-posted since I just requested the abortion thread and the poll thread be merged.




She's 18. He's 35. She got pregnant, wanted to get married, he refused. But he wants a say. I'd say he dropped his right to a say.

Holmes said, and during a church camping trip there was a "discussion about an ultimatum. Either you marry me or I'm not going to have this baby type of thing."

If that bit is true, then the 18 year old girl was using the baby to extort a promise of marriage. I hope it's not.

These two deserve legal troubles.
 
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He doesn't even know if she aborted or had a miscarriage.

He refused to marry the pregnant mother of his child (who, by the way, is half his age). I couldn't muster sympathy if my life depended on it.

Yep, got that now.

His refusal to marry the incubator is not sufficient reason to empty the incubator prematurely and lethally.

He's a dork, you can see that from his photo.

She's a tramp, she accepted sperm from freak like that.

Doesn't make the baby guilty.
 
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Am I the only one wondering what the hell a 35 y/o man was doing with an 18 y/o?? Not in the literal sense. What does an 18 y/o have in common with a 35 y/o?
 
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Am I the only one wondering what the hell a 35 y/o man was doing with an 18 y/o??

I've got it the other way around.
 
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Need more words.

You said,

Am I the only one wondering what the hell a 35 y/o man was doing with an 18 y/o??

I said,

I've got it the other way around.

Meaning, what the hell does an 18 year old girl want with a 35 year old man? To an 18 year old, anyone over 30 might as well be 60.

(unless...they can afford a billboard ad off an interstate. hmmm....)
 
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Nope, he's entitled to free speech. She has just as much right to put up a billboard right next to it, saying "Sure, if my boyfriend wasn't such a douchebag".
 
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Am I the only one wondering what the hell a 35 y/o man was doing with an 18 y/o?? Not in the literal sense. What does an 18 y/o have in common with a 35 y/o?

Outside of the obvious?

Well, let's put it this way.

He had to borrow and beg the $1600 bucks for the sign.

He's 35 and not married. Should we guess if he's living in his momma's basement?

And 18 year old girls are often damn stupid. The Mayor will guess the following, without any facts outside of what's already been stated:

Her father abandoned/ignored her as a child.

Alamogordo is one dreary town.

The 35 year-old is witty and a fast talker. Full of himself, and confident. Even though he has no significant accomplishments in life. (He'd be married, else, with offspring, possibly divorced) No mention of that. His actions with this one incubator and one child indicates a distinct lack of maturity regarding his fecundity, and that means it's special to him.

She probably has no brothers. They'd have put the 35 year-old in his place.

As the father of girls, the Mayor can guarantee you that his daughters won't be hanging out with no 35 year-old men. Losers like that don't appreciate angry fathers in dark parking lots.
 
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(unless...they can afford a billboard ad off an interstate. hmmm....)

The whole thing is just wrong. "and during a church camping trip" .... really? /sigh
 
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She's not some nameless, faceless.

I dunno. I just think he gives new meaning to the word "jerk".

That's entirely true, but being a jerk isn't against the law.
 
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Outside of the obvious?

Well, let's put it this way.

He had to borrow and beg the $1600 bucks for the sign.

He's 35 and not married. Should we guess if he's living in his momma's basement?

And 18 year old girls are often damn stupid. The Mayor will guess the following, without any facts outside of what's already been stated:

Her father abandoned/ignored her as a child.

Alamogordo is one dreary town.

The 35 year-old is witty and a fast talker. Full of himself, and confident. Even though he has no significant accomplishments in life. (He'd be married, else, with offspring, possibly divorced) No mention of that. His actions with this one incubator and one child indicates a distinct lack of maturity regarding his fecundity, and that means it's special to him.

She probably has no brothers. They'd have put the 35 year-old in his place.

As the father of girls, the Mayor can guarantee you that his daughters won't be hanging out with no 35 year-old men. Losers like that don't appreciate angry fathers in dark parking lots.

...............................

Fultz, who runs a computer services business, had the billboard put up in mid-May.
 
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Outside of the obvious?

Well, let's put it this way.

He had to borrow and beg the $1600 bucks for the sign.

He's 35 and not married. Should we guess if he's living in his momma's basement?

And 18 year old girls are often damn stupid. The Mayor will guess the following, without any facts outside of what's already been stated:

Her father abandoned/ignored her as a child.

Alamogordo is one dreary town.

The 35 year-old is witty and a fast talker. Full of himself, and confident. Even though he has no significant accomplishments in life. (He'd be married, else, with offspring, possibly divorced) No mention of that. His actions with this one incubator and one child indicates a distinct lack of maturity regarding his fecundity, and that means it's special to him.

She probably has no brothers. They'd have put the 35 year-old in his place.

As the father of girls, the Mayor can guarantee you that his daughters won't be hanging out with no 35 year-old men. Losers like that don't appreciate angry fathers in dark parking lots.

Why are you the father of "girls" while the young woman in this scenario is "an incubator?"

Hizzonner sounds like a pig. (And I'm a proud chauvinist.)
 
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That's entirely true, but being a jerk isn't against the law.
If it isn't already against the law to baselessly accuse somebody of murder on billboard, it should be.
 
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The whole thing is just wrong. "and during a church camping trip" .... really? /sigh

Yeah, I caught that, too. Churches often reach out to troubled teens, but keeping the troubled 35 year old men at a good distance from the troubled 18 year old girls might have been a good idea here.
 
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