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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I get that the person referenced on the billboard is a real person with a real name and real feelings and real rights.

    I'm saying that if I were to drive down that street and see that billboard and not be familiar with the story, I wouldn't have any idea who it was talking about -- and that's why he shouldn't have to take it down.
    And if you lived in that area?
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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    While people have a freedom of speech, people also have an expectation of privacy, especially regarding confidential medical information. Therefore, posting such a thing in such a public way concerning the private information of a private citizen should get this guy in serious trouble.

    But if the court rules in the ex-boyfriend's favor then I'm going to go on a fundraising drive so that the ex-giirlfriend can afford to post a billboard on the other side of the highway explaining that the reason why she had an abortion was because of how much of a ****ing loser he is and wouldn't have been able to take care of the kid anyway.
    Somebody who would do what he did - I'm sorry, but my guess just based on that statement is that he would have been a ****eous father. He's very emotionally immature, and vengeful.

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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Well, it's a bit unclear what the facts in the case are, but the woman claims that she had a miscarriage and not an abortion. If that's true, then possibly the billboard is libel.

    If she actually did have an abortion, then it should definitely be allowed. It's no different than the billboards you occasionally see with women publicly shaming their cheating husbands.
    Regardless - one's personal issues of this nature are not public-news.

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    That wouldn't make a difference to me, because as I said, "If I were to drive down that street and see that billboard and not be familiar with the story, I wouldn't have any idea who it was talking about."
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Regardless - one's personal issues of this nature are not public-news.

    No matter what happened - he shouldn't have done it and he knows it's wrong.

    Um. I don't think I could go quite that far.

    In this specific case, yes it looks like this guy is a total jerk. He apparently wasn't even sure whether she had an abortion or a miscarriage. He could be accused of libel, or slander, whichever this is.

    However, expressing this as a general principle about how if a gal has an abortion and the babydaddy didn't like it, that he should be gagged from speaking about the matter in public... no I can't endorse that.

    There are those daytime TV shows that are constantly ambushing people about embarassing secrets, like "my son doesn't know his real father is my half-brother's stepdad and I'm going to reveal it on Maury Povich!" My point being that apparently there is no law protecting you from being embarassed by factual statements.

    You have a right not to be slandered maliciously. I don't know that you have a legal right not be embarassed by something if it is the truth.

    Abortion is not merely a medical proceedure. It is also a social matter, and a very contentious one, especially when one partner in the creation of the unborn gets no say in whether his unborn lives or dies.

    Now, putting up a billboard would probably not be something I'd do... but I assure you I would not consider a unilateral decision to abort the half-mine-unborn as merely a private medical proceedure which I had no right to speak of. I'd be quite upset.

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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    I was prepared to say "Well, he's an incredible douche, but that isn't technically illegal. Douche."

    ... Until I read this, from the second article BDBoop posted:

    The original billboard had two endorsements that have since been removed. The first was from N.A.N.I., an organization Fultz created for pro-life issues that stands for National Association for Needed Information. The acronym also happens to be his ex-girlfriend's first name.
    Abortion Billboard Lands New Mexico Man In Court With Ex-Girlfriend - ABC News

    Ok. Now I think this is becoming illegal. I have a hard time believing that is a coincidence.

    He posts a picture of himself, which means anyone who knows him, or her, will know he's talking about Lawrence. Sneaky, but still not quite illegal.

    Then he just happens to start a pro-life organization that happens to spell out his ex's first name?

    Not buying it.
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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That wouldn't make a difference to me, because as I said, "If I were to drive down that street and see that billboard and not be familiar with the story, I wouldn't have any idea who it was talking about."
    But everyone in her neighborhood would know the story. Along with everyone that read the newspapers.
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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Um. I don't think I could go quite that far.

    In this specific case, yes it looks like this guy is a total jerk. He apparently wasn't even sure whether she had an abortion or a miscarriage. He could be accused of libel, or slander, whichever this is.

    However, expressing this as a general principle about how if a gal has an abortion and the babydaddy didn't like it, that he should be gagged from speaking about the matter in public... no I can't endorse that.

    There are those daytime TV shows that are constantly ambushing people about embarassing secrets, like "my son doesn't know his real father is my half-brother's stepdad and I'm going to reveal it on Maury Povich!" My point being that apparently there is no law protecting you from being embarassed by factual statements.

    You have a right not to be slandered maliciously. I don't know that you have a legal right not be embarassed by something if it is the truth.

    Abortion is not merely a medical proceedure. It is also a social matter, and a very contentious one, especially when one partner in the creation of the unborn gets no say in whether his unborn lives or dies.

    Now, putting up a billboard would probably not be something I'd do... but I assure you I would not consider a unilateral decision to abort the half-mine-unborn as merely a private medical proceedure which I had no right to speak of. I'd be quite upset.
    There is a huge difference between sounding off/venting, and what he did. I can't even grasp what he did as being in the realm of sane, acceptable behavior. If my son pulled a stunt like that, I'd be taking him in for a psych eval.

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Not to mention - if she did have a miscarriage? Her heart is already breaking. She doesn't need this "insult to injury" **** that he's putting her through.

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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    There is a huge difference between sounding off/venting, and what he did. I can't even grasp what he did as being in the realm of sane, acceptable behavior. If my son pulled a stunt like that, I'd be taking him in for a psych eval.
    As I said, in this particular case, it sounds like this guy is just a douchebag.

    Addressing the idea more generally though, have you considered that having one's SigOther abort one's unborn child against the father's wishes might drive the guy a bit around the bend? A man who wanted that baby, who wanted to be a father, who considered the unilateral abortion to be a shocking betrayal and repudiation of what he thought was a loving relationship, could easily be driven into a temporarily irrational state by such a situation. A reaction like this (billboard) might seem reasonable to someone who felt like their entire world had been laid waste by someone they trusted, in such a disturbed state.

    Don't underestimate how terribly such a thing could break a man's heart and ruin his judgement, if he really wanted that child and it was snuffed out before he so much as had a chance to say "Wait a minute..."

    (Again, I'm not talking about that guy in the story; I'm speaking more generally.)

    We're always being asked to have compassion for the woman with an unwanted pregnancy; I'm turning the coin over and asking for some consideration about a man's feelings when his unborn's life is taken out of his hands without so much as a discussion.
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