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Seriously. A billboard??!

Should he be forced to take it down?

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Is the guy a major douche for doing this? Yup, sure is. I'd smack him silly if I knew him.

Does he have a legal right to do this? Sorry, but yes... he does. It's not only 'her' private life that is being discussed, but 'his' as well.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Viktyr Korimir said:
A scumbag that refused to marry his pregnant girlfriend and then did this after she told him she miscarried?

The only time I want a subhuman spokesperson is when I'm arguing for ape rights.
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Ok?? First?? The woman's friend said she miscarried.. So I don't know where you are getting that.. Did you read something other than the OP??

The woman's friends say she had a miscarriage, not an abortion, according to a report in the Albuquerque Journal.
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According to the article.. The women refused to say whether she aborted or had a miscarriage.. I am guessing she aborted.. There would be no reason to hide the miscarriage.. I also didn't see anything about him refusing to marry her.. Again, is there another article??

You obviously know more than I do about it.. I still don't know how you all figured out her name was Nani.. Again that isn't in the OP article..

So.. Where are you getting all this other info and are you sure it is correct??

Like I said.. I don't like his wording..
 
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DemonMyst said:
The problem is that your entire post reeks of a double standard.. She also can choose to not have sex or be on the pill.. So why should she be able to get an abortion?? Sorry.. But your that part of your post is irrelevent.. If he can wear a condomn then she can take a pill.. If he can choose not to have sex then so can she.. By my logic she can force him not to wear a condomn?? Dude?? Lay off the Canadian hash!! No more trips to Vancouver for you!! I never said he could force her not to have it.. Please read my post again.. I did say that he should be able to force her to have the child, so he can raise it on his own.. He is the father after all.. He should have just as much right to that child as she does.. It takes two to make a baby.. Two should decide what to do with it.. If she has the option to terminate the pregnancy and basically walk away.. He should have the same option, should she decide to have it..

It isn't harrassment.. And there is no liability.. There is also no disclosure of medical records.. You are grasping at straws.. Is a billboard that says smoking can cause cancer a disclosure of medical records?? Give me a break!!

Her name being Nani is irrelevent.. The general public doesn't know that.. Fake acronym or not.. He is legally covered.. The general public doesn't know her real name nor do they know the acronym is fake.. Unless you can prove they do, then the legal arguement is closed..
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This post is 14 kinds of bull**** too numerous for me to go into BUT: Who would you think would be more generally and logically capable of retaining the thought "You can't have a party without the balloons."; a 35 y/o or an 18 y/o.
 
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DemonMyst said:
Ok?? First?? The woman's friend said she miscarried.. So I don't know where you are getting that.. Did you read something other than the OP??



According to the article.. The women refused to say whether she aborted or had a miscarriage.. I am guessing she aborted.. There would be no reason to hide the miscarriage.. I also didn't see anything about him refusing to marry her.. Again, is there another article??

You obviously know more than I do about it.. I still don't know how you all figured out her name was Nani.. Again that isn't in the OP article..

So.. Where are you getting all this other info and are you sure it is correct??

Like I said.. I don't like his wording..
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Yes, there was another article posted further down thread, but I may be thinking of this thread located in the abortion folder..

She wanted to get married. He refused. Right there, in my estimation, the ball became hers and hers alone, to do with as she saw fit. If he didn't want to commit? There's your sign. And every female I know, looking at a six-month old relationship that ended in pregnancy and no offer of marriage, would agree.
 
molten_dragon said:
While I agree that the guy is a douche, being married wouldn't necessarily have changed anything. She still could have had an abortion and he couldn't do dick about it.
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Irrelevant, and immaterial to this case.
 
MaggieD said:
If it can be proven that she either had an abortion or told him or someone else willing to testify that she did, then I suspect he's done nothing wrong....truth being the ultimate defense in cases of libel and slander.

I don't feel sorry for her. She picked the goofball.
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Eighteen year-olds have a tendency to do that.
 
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Whovian said:
Does he have a legal right to do this? Sorry, but yes... he does.
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You believe in rights. I believe in standards. If a man is incapable of exercising his rights in accordance with basic decency, he should lose those rights.
 
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TheBook said:
There are several reasons why the law doesn't support him.

1. It's obvious harassment
2. It's libel
3. It's an attempt at a disclosure of (alleged) medical records of someone else

Her name is mentioned on the billboard (NANI is a fake acronym which just happens to be her first name).

Also, something of note, the father can decide to use a condom or simply not have sex with the woman in the first place, I'd call that plenty of say. By your logic, a woman should be able to force the man to not wear a condom (if she wants the child, then who is he to say that she can't have it?).
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100% agree, well-said Book.
 
Goshin said:
Um. I don't think I could go quite that far.

In this specific case, yes it looks like this guy is a total jerk. He apparently wasn't even sure whether she had an abortion or a miscarriage. He could be accused of libel, or slander, whichever this is.

However, expressing this as a general principle about how if a gal has an abortion and the babydaddy didn't like it, that he should be gagged from speaking about the matter in public... no I can't endorse that.

There are those daytime TV shows that are constantly ambushing people about embarassing secrets, like "my son doesn't know his real father is my half-brother's stepdad and I'm going to reveal it on Maury Povich!" :roll: My point being that apparently there is no law protecting you from being embarassed by factual statements.

You have a right not to be slandered maliciously. I don't know that you have a legal right not be embarassed by something if it is the truth.

Abortion is not merely a medical proceedure. It is also a social matter, and a very contentious one, especially when one partner in the creation of the unborn gets no say in whether his unborn lives or dies.

Now, putting up a billboard would probably not be something I'd do... but I assure you I would not consider a unilateral decision to abort the half-mine-unborn as merely a private medical proceedure which I had no right to speak of. I'd be quite upset.
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did he have a right to reveal private information, though? her name?
 
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Viktyr Korimir said:
You believe in rights. I believe in standards. If a man is incapable of exercising his rights in accordance with basic decency, he should lose those rights.
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So, when someone does not agree with YOUR standards, they should lose rights. Interesting philosophy.

BTW, you did read the part where I said he was a douceh for doing this, right?
 
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Viktyr Korimir said:
You believe in rights. I believe in standards. If a man is incapable of exercising his rights in accordance with basic decency, he should lose those rights.
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Who's standards? Yours? That's called an opinion. The worst of the worst people in this country still have a right to be heard or to speak freely - whether or not what they speak about is right or not. I guess you'd advocate cutting out the guys tongue if he doesn't meet your "standards" or your level of "basic decency"? That's no better than the far christian evangelicals pushing their morality and "basic decency" on people.

Nope. Unless we've turned into a fascist regeim overnight, he's got the right to be indecent and violate your standards and thank God or whatever higher power for that.
 
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There is a line that separates free speech from harassment, and I would say this billboard crosses it.
 
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Gardener said:
There is a line that separates free speech from harassment, and I would say this billboard crosses it.
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Most especially since he does not know the truth of the matter to this day. Did she miscarry or abort.
 
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Whovian said:
BTW, you did read the part where I said he was a douceh for doing this, right?
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Yes. If I thought you were defending him on any kind of moral level, I wouldn't even have bothered replying to you.

Ockham said:
Who's standards? Yours? That's called an opinion. The worst of the worst people in this country still have a right to be heard or to speak freely - whether or not what they speak about is right or not. I guess you'd advocate cutting out the guys tongue if he doesn't meet your "standards" or your level of "basic decency"? That's no better than the far christian evangelicals pushing their morality and "basic decency" on people.
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Why would I cut out his tongue? If he can't speak to civilized people, he should be kept away from civilized people.

I don't have a problem with the Christian far right pushing their morals on society. I'm just pushing back. I don't have to be "better" than them according to your standards; I only have to be better than them according to mine.

Ockham said:
Nope. Unless we've turned into a fascist regeim overnight, he's got the right to be indecent and violate your standards and thank God or whatever higher power for that.
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God has nothing to do with this filth.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Flip this around....

Lets say he had a picture of him smiling and looking all healthy with the caption "This is what I'd look like if my ex-girlfriend didn't give me HIV".

Add to that he has no factual evidence that his ex HAD HIV and he's slept with other people so it may not even have came from her.

Would that be legal in your mind?

You're borderline revealing private medical information to someone on an extremely public level, which I could see veering into the harassment category. If it wasn't for him putting her name up there in an attempt to use it as an acronym for a group that doesn't exist, I'd be leaning a bit the other way. However, because of that, I can see where it falls potentially more on the illegal side.

I think he's a grade A douche bag and jerk, and if it turns out there's nothing legally wrong with what he did then so be it...however, I have no issue with it being examined if he did violate the law and if he did, even slightly, throwing the book at him.
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Basically, this is exactly why I think this billboard should be taken down. Well put Zyphlin, well put indeed.
 
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TheBook said:
There are several reasons why the law doesn't support him.

1. It's obvious harassment
2. It's libel
3. It's an attempt at a disclosure of (alleged) medical records of someone else

Her name is mentioned on the billboard (NANI is a fake acronym which just happens to be her first name).

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Yep pretty much what I said earlier, now that some people actually read the stories and know what this dip**** did I wonder how many want to change their vote.

Im Glad the judge knew what the right call was and the jerkoff has to take it down. I hope he doesnt do it, like he is threatening not to, and he goes to jail that will make me giggle. Free speech is great but it doesnt cover the above and addressing fathers rights is fine also but this aint gonna help one bit. Nobody wasnt to associate themselves with this clown who is a woman harasser.

Good call judge!:applaud
 
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DemonMyst said:
The problem is that your entire post reeks of a double standard.. She also can choose to not have sex or be on the pill.. So why should she be able to get an abortion?? Sorry.. But your that part of your post is irrelevent.. If he can wear a condomn then she can take a pill.. If he can choose not to have sex then so can she.. By my logic she can force him not to wear a condomn?? Dude?? Lay off the Canadian hash!! No more trips to Vancouver for you!!
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I've never been, actually, nor have I ever tried "Canadian hash."

Once you can pick up the pill at your local grocery or drug store without a prescription for a few bucks, then the two are the same. You have to have access to healthcare in order to purchase more advanced forms of birth control like the pill or the depo shot and diaphragms are quite rare outside of a Planned Parenthood clinic.

DemonMyst said:
I never said he could force her not to have it.. Please read my post again.. I did say that he should be able to force her to have the child, so he can raise it on his own.. He is the father after all.. He should have just as much right to that child as she does.. It takes two to make a baby.. Two should decide what to do with it.. If she has the option to terminate the pregnancy and basically walk away.. He should have the same option, should she decide to have it..
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So you never said he could force her NOT to have it (a claim I never made) while in the same post you claim that if she can get an abortion, he should be able to force her to. Something about this doesn't add up...

DemonMyst said:
It isn't harrassment..
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If it's intentionally placed in a prominent area where she would see it on a day-to-day basis with the intent of harassing her, then yes, it really is.

DemonMyst said:
And there is no liability.. There is also no disclosure of medical records..
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Informing the general public that your ex girlfriend Nani had a surgical procedure is indeed a disclosure of medical records which weren't his to disclose. Hence, a violation of the right to privacy.

DemonMyst said:
You are grasping at straws.. Is a billboard that says smoking can cause cancer a disclosure of medical records?? Give me a break!!
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It is if you are claiming smoking caused someone else cancer and they had to get surgery, if they haven't given you permission.

DemonMyst said:
Her name being Nani is irrelevent.. The general public doesn't know that.. Fake acronym or not.. He is legally covered.. The general public doesn't know her real name nor do they know the acronym is fake.. Unless you can prove they do, then the legal arguement is closed..
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If we could figure it out after 5 minutes, I would imagine it would be easier for someone who lived in their town and who knew these people.
 
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Tucker Case said:
She should post a billboard underneath it that says "It wasn't yours you limp-dicked, greasy haired, overweight sterile pansy." but without naming him or showing his picture.

Just big black letters on a white background.
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Would just show she had poor taste in bedding a "limp-dicked, greasy haired, overweight sterile pansy" in the first place and creating a life with one in the second.

Anyhow - he wouldn't be able to complain unless she specifically named him or identified him in her poster / billboard. I keep having trouble with the posted links but until he created the organisation N.A.N.I, I believe he should not be forced to take down the billboard if she was not directly named.

Having created the name N.A.N.I. I think he's left himself wide open to charges of libel and having harassed her.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Would just show she had poor taste in bedding a "limp-dicked, greasy haired, overweight sterile pansy" in the first place and creating a life with one in the second.
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All you get from following someone into a cesspool is filthy.
 
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DiAnna said:
Perhaps the ex-girlfriend named "Nani", which happens to be the acronym for the fictitious foundation he set up, and printed in bold letters on the sign.
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The acronym was removed from the billboard. Without any reference whatsoever to who the "ex-girlfriend" might be, I don't see what the law can do about it. :shrug:
 
MaggieD said:
If it can be proven that she either had an abortion or told him or someone else willing to testify that she did, then I suspect he's done nothing wrong....truth being the ultimate defense in cases of libel and slander.

I don't feel sorry for her. She picked the goofball.
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Yeah, I'm having a hard time feeling any sympathy whatsoever. I don't mean to sound snobbish or anything, but this all sounds like trailer-trash soap opera material to me.
 
Arcana XV said:
Yeah, I'm having a hard time feeling any sympathy whatsoever. I don't mean to sound snobbish or anything, but this all sounds like trailer-trash soap opera material to me.
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Yes, but occasionally the stench from the trailer park gets so bad you have to send in men with flamethrowers to cleanse it.
 
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DiAnna said:
Absolutely he should take it down. It's a violation of her privacy, and medical issues are privileged. Should someone have the right to put up a billboard disclosing an individual has HIV or AIDS? Has gotten a vasectomy... or worse, pretended to have gotten a vasectomy then impregnated his sexual partners? How about a billboard disclosing your medical history with cancer, mental illness, alcoholism, or some other condition that causes your insurance company to cancel your health coverage and that prospective employer to turn you away?

I cannot believe there is even one person out there who believes this crap should be legal.
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Personally I do not see what all the fuss is about when it comes to medical procedures. If my medical files were public it wouldn't bother me at all. I just do not understand why people feel violated over them. None of the examples you listed would I try and keep private. I am what I am for better or worse, why hide it?
 
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Viktyr Korimir said:
Why would I cut out his tongue? If he can't speak to civilized people, he should be kept away from civilized people.
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Kept away how? A camp? Jail? I used the tongue example because even if you kept them away from whatever you call "civilized people", they can still talk to each other and spread their rascally dissent amongst others.

Viktyr Korimir said:
I don't have a problem with the Christian far right pushing their morals on society. I'm just pushing back. I don't have to be "better" than them according to your standards; I only have to be better than them according to mine.
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And as long as your standards only apply to you, that's fine with me.
 
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