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Thread: Seriously. A billboard??!

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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If it can be proven that she either had an abortion or told him or someone else willing to testify that she did, then I suspect he's done nothing wrong....truth being the ultimate defense in cases of libel and slander.

    I don't feel sorry for her. She picked the goofball.
    Eighteen year-olds have a tendency to do that.

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Does he have a legal right to do this? Sorry, but yes... he does.
    You believe in rights. I believe in standards. If a man is incapable of exercising his rights in accordance with basic decency, he should lose those rights.

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    There are several reasons why the law doesn't support him.

    1. It's obvious harassment
    2. It's libel
    3. It's an attempt at a disclosure of (alleged) medical records of someone else

    Her name is mentioned on the billboard (NANI is a fake acronym which just happens to be her first name).

    Also, something of note, the father can decide to use a condom or simply not have sex with the woman in the first place, I'd call that plenty of say. By your logic, a woman should be able to force the man to not wear a condom (if she wants the child, then who is he to say that she can't have it?).
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    Re: Seriously. A billboard??!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Um. I don't think I could go quite that far.

    In this specific case, yes it looks like this guy is a total jerk. He apparently wasn't even sure whether she had an abortion or a miscarriage. He could be accused of libel, or slander, whichever this is.

    However, expressing this as a general principle about how if a gal has an abortion and the babydaddy didn't like it, that he should be gagged from speaking about the matter in public... no I can't endorse that.

    There are those daytime TV shows that are constantly ambushing people about embarassing secrets, like "my son doesn't know his real father is my half-brother's stepdad and I'm going to reveal it on Maury Povich!" My point being that apparently there is no law protecting you from being embarassed by factual statements.

    You have a right not to be slandered maliciously. I don't know that you have a legal right not be embarassed by something if it is the truth.

    Abortion is not merely a medical proceedure. It is also a social matter, and a very contentious one, especially when one partner in the creation of the unborn gets no say in whether his unborn lives or dies.

    Now, putting up a billboard would probably not be something I'd do... but I assure you I would not consider a unilateral decision to abort the half-mine-unborn as merely a private medical proceedure which I had no right to speak of. I'd be quite upset.
    did he have a right to reveal private information, though? her name?

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You believe in rights. I believe in standards. If a man is incapable of exercising his rights in accordance with basic decency, he should lose those rights.
    So, when someone does not agree with YOUR standards, they should lose rights. Interesting philosophy.

    BTW, you did read the part where I said he was a douceh for doing this, right?

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You believe in rights. I believe in standards. If a man is incapable of exercising his rights in accordance with basic decency, he should lose those rights.
    Who's standards? Yours? That's called an opinion. The worst of the worst people in this country still have a right to be heard or to speak freely - whether or not what they speak about is right or not. I guess you'd advocate cutting out the guys tongue if he doesn't meet your "standards" or your level of "basic decency"? That's no better than the far christian evangelicals pushing their morality and "basic decency" on people.

    Nope. Unless we've turned into a fascist regeim overnight, he's got the right to be indecent and violate your standards and thank God or whatever higher power for that.
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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    There is a line that separates free speech from harassment, and I would say this billboard crosses it.
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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    There is a line that separates free speech from harassment, and I would say this billboard crosses it.
    Most especially since he does not know the truth of the matter to this day. Did she miscarry or abort.

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    BTW, you did read the part where I said he was a douceh for doing this, right?
    Yes. If I thought you were defending him on any kind of moral level, I wouldn't even have bothered replying to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Who's standards? Yours? That's called an opinion. The worst of the worst people in this country still have a right to be heard or to speak freely - whether or not what they speak about is right or not. I guess you'd advocate cutting out the guys tongue if he doesn't meet your "standards" or your level of "basic decency"? That's no better than the far christian evangelicals pushing their morality and "basic decency" on people.
    Why would I cut out his tongue? If he can't speak to civilized people, he should be kept away from civilized people.

    I don't have a problem with the Christian far right pushing their morals on society. I'm just pushing back. I don't have to be "better" than them according to your standards; I only have to be better than them according to mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Nope. Unless we've turned into a fascist regeim overnight, he's got the right to be indecent and violate your standards and thank God or whatever higher power for that.
    God has nothing to do with this filth.

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    Re: Jilted ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Flip this around....

    Lets say he had a picture of him smiling and looking all healthy with the caption "This is what I'd look like if my ex-girlfriend didn't give me HIV".

    Add to that he has no factual evidence that his ex HAD HIV and he's slept with other people so it may not even have came from her.

    Would that be legal in your mind?

    You're borderline revealing private medical information to someone on an extremely public level, which I could see veering into the harassment category. If it wasn't for him putting her name up there in an attempt to use it as an acronym for a group that doesn't exist, I'd be leaning a bit the other way. However, because of that, I can see where it falls potentially more on the illegal side.

    I think he's a grade A douche bag and jerk, and if it turns out there's nothing legally wrong with what he did then so be it...however, I have no issue with it being examined if he did violate the law and if he did, even slightly, throwing the book at him.
    Basically, this is exactly why I think this billboard should be taken down. Well put Zyphlin, well put indeed.
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