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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    Howard Dean seems to think Obama is beatable...especially if he's running against Palin.

    Now, I think a lot of America has seen him speak enough that they know the difference between confidently reading a teleprompter and confidently understanding the material. He doesn't seem to understand what he once preached and many people see him as in over his head.
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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Can he be beat? Of course he can. Will he? I don't see any candidate I think has a good shot at it, assuming no significant changes over the next year and a half. Of course, a year and a half without significant changes is pretty much an impossibility, so who knows. Obama has the edge right now as sitting president who will have a large amount of money to spend, but there are lots of paths to his defeat, mostly involving what the economy does between now and election.
    Well i would make my own post but why when this sums its up perfectly IMO.

    ANYBODY can be beat but IMO unless someone new comes out I dont see Obama every losing to Palin, West, Cain, Romney, Newt, or Bachman.

    yes I know some of those people aren't officially running Im just going off of what people say here.

    Again like you said ask me again a year and half maybe my answer will be different but Ill go on record saying this, any Cain/Palin/ Bachmann ticket gets destroyed IMO.

    It has to be someone real and without the typical bias partisan attack attitude that most politician use now and not really focusing on the issue.

    Simply attacking is how bush got two terms. Lots of people were so sure he wouldnt, didnt go vote themselves and the genius running against him did nothing but attack.

    The american people need substance right now because they are fed up with the attacking and if you put a talking point partisan pundit up there to run against obama many people even the ones unhappy are going to ride it out instead of switch.
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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Simple question. Some are saying Obama's a shoe-in to get re-elected next year. What do you all think, is Obama an unbeatable juggernaut or not?
    Of course he can be beat, but despite efforts from right, Obama is pretty well liked by the American public. Incumbents usually have the edge and the GOP field is really weak. Oh, wait Rick Santorum entered the race today.


    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Howard Dean seems to think Obama is beatable...especially if he's running against Palin.
    Howard Dean clarified his statement today, saying the Democrats shouldn't assume Obama can't be beat.

    Now, I think a lot of America has seen him speak enough that they know the difference between confidently reading a teleprompter and confidently understanding the material. He doesn't seem to understand what he once preached and many people see him as in over his head.
    Really???


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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    Yes he can be beat under the right circumstances but those circumstances dont look like to be turning out good for the opposition of Obama.


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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    It really depends on the economy. I say right now that if the unemployment rate is above 8.5% come November, he will lose to any remotely credible Republican candidate. If it's lower than 8.5, he will win a re-election almost independently of who he runs against.

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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It really depends on the economy. I say right now that if the unemployment rate is above 8.5% come November, he will lose to any remotely credible Republican candidate. If it's lower than 8.5, he will win a re-election almost independently of who he runs against.
    I really do not think there is any 'magic number' like so many seem to say. I think what will matter is if there is a sense that we have made progress economically. And even if that sense is in question, he still could win. Things look pretty ugly economically today, and yet Obama consistently outpolls every possible challenger.

    So I'd say that yeah, he's not invincible, but it's hard to imagine him losing.

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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    the only person who can defeat Obama is Obama

    there is no person among the current crop of prospective republican candidates who can unseat Obama

    the republicans have conceded the hispanic vote
    don't see any republican able to grab the black vote
    Gary Johnson is the only republican who could have challenged Obama for the youth demographic; but the republicans won't even let him participate in party events
    and the republican's proposal to undermine medicare will hollow out the geezer support

    with no viable republican opposition on the horizon, why would anyone bet against Obama being a two term president
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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    i have not heard the words 'shoe in' and 'Obama re-election' in the same sentence anywhere. Who is saying it?
    What Obama has against him is the low unemployment rate. No President has gotten re-elected when the unemployment rate was lower than 7% (I believe) since FDR. So statistics regarding the economy are against him.

    However, the Republicans have to offer up a viable alternative to Obama to challenge him in the general eelction. So far, the GOP hasn't gotten behind any one candidate yet. The GOP is also split on which direction it wants to go - paleoconservative (Palin), right-wing (Pawlenty, Santorum), or center-right (Romney). If the GOP primary puts up a candidate who is too far the right they won't win the general election. But, then again, GOP voters tend to demand candidates that are highly ideological.

    So it really depends on two things - 1) what kind of shift the economy will bring as the election comes closer and 2) whether the GOP offers up a candidate who can compete with Obama for moderates and independents.
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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    He can be beat, but it's not a foregone conclusion yet.

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    Re: Can Obama be Beat in 2012

    I'd like to see him primaried. The GOP is really floundering for real, honest to God, leadership and I don't see them offering anyone who is anything more than a safe re-tread. It's the same with the Democrats except that they have a man in the White House.

    I'm an independent for a reason. I sincerely believe that the two party system should be called Corpgov. Big Business/Money owns Washington. Period. They own Obama and they will own whomever runs against him.

    Until people see that neither party is capable or willing to get America back on track they are going to continue to vote for Corpgov candidates. In the end it will matter little if a GOP candidate can beat Obama.










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