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Which came first: The Chicken or the Egg?

Which came first?


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Why criticize Alfons if you cannot prove abiogenesis and how it happened?

I can't prove it, really. Evolution is still theory right, but much more plausible than a magically being saying "Poof!" Then a chicken appears. ^_^
 
I can't prove it, really. Evolution is still theory right, but much more plausible than a magically being saying "Poof!" Then a chicken appears. ^_^

That's essentially abiogenesis, with different organisms. It's also magical because life simply went "poof".
 
That's essentially abiogenesis, with different organisms. It's also magical because life simply went "poof".

Sorry misread, then in that case, why even bring it up if abiogenesis has already been discredited?
 
Sorry misread, then in that case, why even bring it up if abiogenesis has already been discredited?

Evolution demands abiogenesis occurred. Evolution requires abiogenesis, unless God, perhaps, intelligently designed it.
 
Evolution demands abiogenesis occurred. Evolution requires abiogenesis, unless God, perhaps, intelligently designed it.

>.> I'm an atheist, thus intelligent design, abogenesis and other religious theories of how the world began are useless to me. Evolution is very likely to have happened, but it didn't start with abiognesis or ID.
 
Evolution demands abiogenesis occurred. Evolution requires abiogenesis, unless God, perhaps, intelligently designed it.

evolution has zero dependency on how life came about, it just deals with what we have observed of what has happened with life after it was established. Regardless of if it was God, a bolt of lightening in a mud puddle, a hydrothermal vent, or Lisa Simpsons science experiment. It matters not how life gets here from an evolutionary standpoint. It only matters that life IS here.
 
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>.> I'm an atheist, thus intelligent design, abogenesis and other religious theories of how the world began are useless to me. Evolution is very likely to have happened, but it didn't start with abiognesis or ID.

Abiogenesis isn't a religious theory. We don't understand how abiogenesis happened, but it had to have happened. Evolutionary theory and all biology are predicated on at least one instance of abiogenesis.
 
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Well then, I really don't care what category it is really, it's still ridiculous.

I think you may be getting abiogenesis, the very real emergence of life from nonlife, mixed up with spontaneous generation, the fanciful theory of worms falling from the sky and such.
 
The chicken came before the chicken's egg.

the first chicken most likely came from something else's egg as a slight mutation.

teenage mutant ninja chickens?
 
I think you may be getting abiogenesis, the very real emergence of life from nonlife, mixed up with spontaneous generation, the fanciful theory of worms falling from the sky and such.

I may have, but the description of both make me skeptical, I'll have the read more on abiogenesis to get a better understanding...
 
In order to say evolution exists, that we cone from a long inverse chain of gradually smaller animals, we must explain and attempt to prove how such life came to be.

You state God didn't make life poof into existence, yet you assume life must have somehow went poof yet you cannot explain it.
 
In order to say evolution exists, that we cone from a long inverse chain of gradually smaller animals, we must explain and attempt to prove how such life came to be.

You state God didn't make life poof into existence, yet you assume life must have somehow went poof yet you cannot explain it.

No one can explain, how can we? Not with God, the idea of ID could have been the brain child of anyone with the ability to use their imagination, well not just ID, but all of religion.
 
I may have, but the description of both make me skeptical, I'll have the read more on abiogenesis to get a better understanding...

I salute your initiative. I think when you read more about it you will see how reasonable it is. The only alternative to the theory of abiogenesis is that life has somehow always existed.

If there was a point in time when the universe did not contain life, then abiogenesis has to have occurred.
 
Chicken === Egg

just as

Caterpillar === Butterfly
 
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What's wrong with Chappy?

That doesn't make any sense at all.
 
Evolution demands abiogenesis occurred. Evolution requires abiogenesis, unless God, perhaps, intelligently designed it.

Evolution requires that life had to have started somehow, that's all. Evolution doesn't say how life began. We don't know how life began. Evolution doesn't require that there be no god. Evolution only requires evidence that life as we know it gradually changed over the eons, that's all. The fossil record is clear: The theory of evolution is how life forms as we know them today came to be.

How it started, we don't know. Maybe god did it. Maybe life was seeded from space. Maybe the first organisms did come out of a primordial organic soup. Maybe god helped them along. Maybe, maybe, maybe... we don't know.

We don't have to discredit what we do know in order to accept that there are things that we do not know.
 
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