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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Democratic Peace Theory is the (naive) idea that democracies won't fight with each other. I'd guess that being militant about it means he supports the neo-conservative viewpoint about spreading democracy through war.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Democratic Peace Theory is the (naive) idea that democracies won't fight with each other. I'd guess that being militant about it means he supports the neo-conservative viewpoint about spreading democracy through war.
    For the most part... democracies haven't fought each other. There's been peace throughout Europe since the spread of democracy. All of the monarchies have gone or at least become constitutional, totalitarian regimes like the Nazis or Soviets are gone, and Germany and Russia are now at peace with other democratic nations. Even the middle eastern nations were more peaceful when they were democratic, or at least moving towards democracy.

    As for the OP... I listed independent because there's no option for socialist. And because I think that the mainstream liberalism is too pro-business.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    For the most part... democracies haven't fought each other. There's been peace throughout Europe since the spread of democracy. All of the monarchies have gone or at least become constitutional, totalitarian regimes like the Nazis or Soviets are gone, and Germany and Russia are now at peace with other democratic nations. Even the middle eastern nations were more peaceful when they were democratic, or at least moving towards democracy.

    As for the OP... I listed independent because there's no option for socialist. And because I think that the mainstream liberalism is too pro-business.
    I think it's more accurate to say that trading partners don't fight with each other.

    How do you feel about the progressive label, in place of socialist? (Or is that even an option?)

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I think it's more accurate to say that trading partners don't fight with each other.

    How do you feel about the progressive label, in place of socialist? (Or is that even an option?)
    PS - I see that it isn't an option. But very conservative is. Considering what I've read of conservative posters here, I'm switching to VC.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    For the most part... democracies haven't fought each other. There's been peace throughout Europe since the spread of democracy. All of the monarchies have gone or at least become constitutional, totalitarian regimes like the Nazis or Soviets are gone, and Germany and Russia are now at peace with other democratic nations. Even the middle eastern nations were more peaceful when they were democratic, or at least moving towards democracy.

    As for the OP... I listed independent because there's no option for socialist. And because I think that the mainstream liberalism is too pro-business.
    I agree, 'socialist' should be an option.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'd guess that being militant about it means he supports the neo-conservative viewpoint about spreading democracy through war.
    Correct. Minus the big lie. No one ever told me what that was, exactly, so I don't advocate it. Did you NOT notice my avatar and title?

    Let's note that Obama agrees - Libya.


    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I think it's more accurate to say that trading partners don't fight with each other.
    Trade helps, but plenty of trading partners have gone to war - sometimes because of trade dependency and/or disagreements.

    But you liked DPT being labeled naive. Hah. "Oh, that's naive... let me just make something up to counter it."
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have been thinking about this. I am quite conservative in my outlook, though I define what it means for myself and I am not affiliated with the GOP. However, due to my conservative lean, some mistakenly ascribe that to myself (and others who are like me.) Thus, should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal' to the political affiliation options.
    I am going to have to agree with spud_meister on this. No party owns the copyright on liberalism or conservatism. Should DP add conservative democrat or liberal republican to the political affiliation options? Because there are plenty of liberal republicans and conservative democrats.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Yes, I think that indie liberal/conservative should be added because when one sees "liberal" or "conservative" they usually think that the user is either a Dem or a Repub, which may not always be the case. For example, I am a liberal, yet I am not a fan of the Democratic party in the least bit.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yes, I think that indie liberal/conservative should be added because when one sees "liberal" or "conservative" they usually think that the user is either a Dem or a Repub, which may not always be the case. For example, I am a liberal, yet I am not a fan of the Democratic party in the least bit.
    People make those assumptions even without ever looking at your lean, and many times even in spite of it.

    I've seen strong pro-choice accused of walking the Republican party line simply for suggesting that women be more responsible in their sex life to avoid unwanted pregnancy.

    There is no avoiding it.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yes, I think that indie liberal/conservative should be added because when one sees "liberal" or "conservative" they usually think that the user is either a Dem or a Repub, which may not always be the case. For example, I am a liberal, yet I am not a fan of the Democratic party in the least bit.
    If you are not a fan of the democratic party then why do you have those little donkeys above your avatar?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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