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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    No, but it should do away with the "undisclosed" option.

    You're on a political board. What's with the "I don't want to disclose my political leaning?"
    Absolutely not. Read someone's posts to figure out where they stand. If you can't do THAT, and need someone to tell you what their overall lean is, you are just going to follow along with the stereotypes.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How strongly some issues are than others to you does not determine the number of times you get to vote for or against any of them, which is why I discount personal importance.

    Since you only get to vote one time per issue, then if out of 100 of your votes 60 land on the liberal side, you have a liberal lean.

    One can not vote liberal most of the time and claim they are anything else with any shred of integrity.
    Disagree. How strong an issue's importance is impacts how much one will spend time addressing or advocating for that issue. Also, when voting for someone, if a candidate's position on that one important issue, opposes one's position, that might prevent that individual from voting for that candidate. I know it would for me.

    For example, Jerry... if there was a candidate who was mildly for most of the things you support, but STRONGLY for abortion on demand, would you vote for him?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Undisclosed should be the first to go. If you don't want people to know what your general lean is, then you should keep your opinions to yourself and never post here.
    I agree.


    Now, about independent. Give me a minute, please, a look at my explaination alone. Forget what other independents have used for excuses up till now, for the sake of this minute.

    Passionately, in order of importance:

    Militant (DemPeaceTheory).
    Green (not AGW).
    Pro-gay (Regarding SSM, the abolition of marriage and civil union is my fundamental stance, but I'll support 'unions for everyone' for transitional equal rights purposes).
    Pro-life (few reservations).

    The rest is pretty much disinterested libertarian.


    What's my lean?

    Anyone else, feel free to jump in and let me know if there is a better option than independent. I'm pretty sure that being most passionate about militant and green largely screws the pooch from the git-go.

    Thanks
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-09-11 at 07:11 AM.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Absolutely not. Read someone's posts to figure out where they stand. If you can't do THAT, and need someone to tell you what their overall lean is, you are just going to follow along with the stereotypes.
    Over time, with high-volume posters, that works. I don't necessarily want to search out all of any given user's posts to figure his lean out.

    And so what if someone wants to follow along with a stereotype? Like old sayings, they tend to be true, anyway.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I agree.


    Now, about independent. Give me a minute, please, a look at my explaination alone. Forget what other independents have used for excuses up till now, for the sake of this minute.

    Passionately, in order of importance:

    Militant (DemPeaceTheory).
    Green (not AGW).
    Pro-gay (Regarding SSM, the abolition of marriage and civil union is my fundamental stance, but I'll support 'unions for everyone' for transitional equal rights purposes).
    Pro-life (few reservations).

    The rest is pretty much disinterested libertarian.


    What's my lean?
    Anyone else, feel free to jump in and let me know if there is a better option than independent. I'm pretty sure that being most passionate about militant and green largely screws the pooch from the git-go.

    Thanks
    A pro-life liberal. Not all that rare, really.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Disagree. How strong an issue's importance is impacts how much one will spend time addressing or advocating for that issue.
    SSM and abortion are both topics I spend a lot of time on here, yet in the real world care very little about.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Also, when voting for someone, if a candidate's position on that one important issue, opposes one's position, that might prevent that individual from voting for that candidate. I know it would for me.

    For example, Jerry... if there was a candidate who was mildly for most of the things you support, but STRONGLY for abortion on demand, would you vote for him?
    You're mixing political theory with the practical application of policy.

    To answer your question, yes, I probably would vot for him, because abortion isn't a big deal to me. It's just fun to debate. Same with SSM. Liberals are right, these things don't effect me, and so I don't care; but this isn't the real world, this DebatePolitics.com, a video game, and it's fun to argue the hot-topics.

    In truth social issues aren't going to make or brake my support for any given candidate. I am a social conservative, but it's not a big deal. I didn't vote against President Obama because he was pro-choice, but because he's on the record in strong support of single-payer nationalized healthcare. The social issues and speaking gaffs (57 states; "punished with a baby", etc) were just tools to troll the left here, nothing more.

    If a liberal came out and was strong on SSM, abortion rights and nationalized healthcare, yet immovably resilient on national security and the 2nd amendment, then this conservative would be voting for a liberal.

    That doesn't change my positions on those various issue, though, which means who I support doesn't define what I am.

    Put all of those same social issues in front of me in a ballot box, and though I overlooked them when considering a candidate's total political platform, I would still vote to oppose elective abortion and SSM.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I agree.


    Now, about independent. Give me a minute, please, a look at my explaination alone. Forget what other independents have used for excuses up till now, for the sake of this minute.

    Passionately, in order of importance:

    Militant (DemPeaceTheory).
    Green (not AGW).
    Pro-gay (Regarding SSM, the abolition of marriage and civil union is my fundamental stance, but I'll support 'unions for everyone' for transitional equal rights purposes).
    Pro-life (few reservations).

    The rest is pretty much disinterested libertarian.


    What's my lean?

    Anyone else, feel free to jump in and let me know if there is a better option than independent. I'm pretty sure that being most passionate about militant and green largely screws the pooch from the git-go.

    Thanks
    I have no idea what DemPeaceTheory is, never heard of it, but if by "green" you mean cliamat change then as all of that is a hoax like the world ending on May21st, flat-earth theory and young-earth creationism then your lean is "kook".

    "Pro-gay" is another label that doesn't mean anything.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I have no idea what DemPeaceTheory is, never heard of it, but if by "green" you mean cliamat change then as all of that is a hoax like the world ending on May21st, flat-earth theory and young-earth creationism then your lean is "kook".
    I took it as "no justice, no peace" based on the "militant" part.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I took it as "no justice, no peace" based on the "militant" part.
    Dems are the party who stood with fire hose in hand to oppose desegregation, and are the party with the most, by far, connections to the KKK, La'Raza, Planned Parenthood and other openly racist organizations, so it would be wise not to leave it for me to guess what DemPeaceTheory means ...the term smacks of a 'final solution'....
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Dems are the party who stood with fire hose in hand to oppose desegregation, and are the party with the most, by far, connections to the KKK, La'Raza, Planned Parenthood and other openly racist organizations, so it would be wise not to leave it for me to guess what DemPeaceTheory means ...the term smacks of a 'final solution'....
    Yeah.

    Militant.

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