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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

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    I want that as a lean
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The fact that you believe its a plane instead of a grid is the shocking part.

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    The fact that you think I wasn't talking about the exact same thing you linked to is...well no it's not so shocking because you don't seem to pick up on things fairly well.

    We're talking about the same thing.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Well, to be fair, the 'independent' conservative are now (incorrectly) calling themselves Libertarians.

    How about just adding the category - 'real' Libertarian.?

    BTW -- would these 'independent' minded conservatives vote for a Democrat? I mean, being so open minded and all...
    There are conservative democrats and they have voted for democrats before.

    The problem is a lack of viable conservative politicians to vote for on either side of the isle. The majority of both sides of the house are big government liberals.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think it would actually be a better idea to allow people to write in their own political lean, rather than selecting their ideology from a drop-down menu.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly like saying everyone should be allowed to spell just however they want, use whatever language they want, and to hell with the masses if no one ever knows what you're saying.
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    Not really, but whatever.
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    Questo č esattamente ciņ che significa. Abbiamo bisogno di un vocabolario comune in modo che possiamo capire gli altri.
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    This rule exists for a good reason, and that same logic is why we need an official language for the US. But I digress. My point on the need for a common vocabulary can't be more evidenced then a mod warning enforcing the same.

    BTW, here's the translation for my Italian post:

    This is exactly what it means. We need a common vocabulary so that we can understand the other.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which is all irrelevant as to how someone wants to identify themselves. If the sum of all of one's positions equate to being 60% liberal, that doesn't mean that they lean left.
    It means they lean liberal.

    They could be part of the liberal right, the radical religious, so I agree that a liberal/conservative lean doesn't dictate one's left/right lean.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Some of those 40% may matter more than some of the 60%. You are making a presentation based on YOUR perception, but your perception of another's belief system and how they define it is completely meaningless.
    Unaffiliated, for example, is not a definition of what you are. It's not an identity of any sort. It's a statement of what you are not, an anti-ID. "Unaffiliated" doesn't say anything about your general outlook on anything.

    Those of us who've taken liberal or conservative leans are just as 'unaffiliated' with any official political party as yourself. Capt'n you are not the true-neutral you want people to believe. I have no problem with your being a progressive, but you are a progressive.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have been thinking about this. I am quite conservative in my outlook, though I define what it means for myself and I am not affiliated with the GOP. However, due to my conservative lean, some mistakenly ascribe that to myself (and others who are like me.) Thus, should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal' to the political affiliation options.
    nope......conservative DOES NOT equal republican, just as liberal DOES not equal democrat. i identify as a liberal, mostly vote dem. but that doesn't mean i ALWAYS vote the party.

    i respect true conservatives.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It means they lean liberal.
    I don't agree, as I explained in my next sentence.

    They could be part of the liberal right, the radical religious, so I agree that a liberal/conservative lean doesn't dictate one's left/right lean.
    Which is one reason why the "lean" part is irrelevant.

    Unaffiliated, for example, is not a definition of what you are. It's not an identity of any sort. It's a statement of what you are not, an anti-ID. "Unaffiliated" doesn't say anything about your general outlook on anything.
    Correct. I do not want to be identified by my general outlook, because that may have zero to do with my position on specific issues.

    Those of us who've taken liberal or conservative leans are just as 'unaffiliated' with any official political party as yourself.
    NOW you're getting it.

    Capt'n you are not the true-neutral you want people to believe. I have no problem with your being a progressive, but you are a progressive.
    I think I'm pretty clear that I am a progressive, but I do not view that on some sort of left-right plane. In fact, as far as my belief system goes, the left-right plane is pretty irrelevant.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    No, but it should do away with the "undisclosed" option.

    You're on a political board. What's with the "I don't want to disclose my political leaning?"

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't agree, as I explained in my next sentence.
    How strongly some issues are than others to you does not determine the number of times you get to vote for or against any of them, which is why I discount personal importance.

    Since you only get to vote one time per issue, then if out of 100 of your votes 60 land on the liberal side, you have a liberal lean.

    One can not vote liberal most of the time and claim they are anything else with any shred of integrity.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    No, but it should do away with the "undisclosed" option.

    You're on a political board. What's with the "I don't want to disclose my political leaning?"
    Undisclosed should be the first to go. If you don't want people to know what your general lean is, then you should keep your opinions to yourself and never post here.

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