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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Well, to be fair, the 'independent' conservative are now (incorrectly) calling themselves Libertarians.

    How about just adding the category - 'real' Libertarian.?

    BTW -- would these 'independent' minded conservatives vote for a Democrat? I mean, being so open minded and all...

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Well, to be fair, the 'independent' conservative are now (incorrectly) calling themselves Libertarians.
    Why do you say that? If they are socially liberal and economically conservative, then they are libertarian.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Well, to be fair, the 'independent' conservative are now (incorrectly) calling themselves Libertarians.

    How about just adding the category - 'real' Libertarian.?

    BTW -- would these 'independent' minded conservatives vote for a Democrat? I mean, being so open minded and all...
    Believe it or not, I have voted for Democrats... not many but there have been a few that were Conservative in ideology. For example, I have voted for Sam Nunn and Zell Miller... both Democrats...
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Those who follow 'in lockstep' with any party are few and far between to begin with. A lean is just a lean, not a firm standing.
    It's a matter of perception. It sets a sterotypical position that others will often see. I see that as problematic.

    And those who follow "lockstep" are not as far and few bewteen as you might think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The secret is everyone belongs to something, even if only in part, even if they belong to several different groups to varying degrees at the same time. No one belongs to nothing, which is what you would have to be as an independent or unaffiliated, etc. You have to be truly neutral on every conceivable issue.

    So you're either truly neutral, a political coward, or you have various positions, and are thus a lire.

    In reality, the total sum of all the positions and opinions of anyone who is politically engaged lands you on one side or the other of the conservative/liberal left/right plane.
    Which is all irrelevant as to how someone wants to identify themselves. If the sum of all of one's positions equate to being 60% liberal, that doesn't mean that they lean left. Some of those 40% may matter more than some of the 60%. You are making a presentation based on YOUR perception, but your perception of another's belief system and how they define it is completely meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I think independents are gutless. They are neither fish nor fowl, hot nor cold...
    Oh, really?

    I got more guts in my toe.

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    Anyway, I think we should add as many leans as people can come up with. What's the harm?

    Here's a few leans that should be added, off the top:

    MediaMatters (someone could use it, I'm sure)
    MEtard
    Contrarian
    Anime
    Poe
    Bobo

    The more choices, the better, right?
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-08-11 at 06:23 AM.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Political lean is about Ideology, not party affiliation......

    .....anyone who claims to have an Independent ideology......is confused.
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    Simply not true.
    Why ?
    There are possibily as many political "leanings" are there are people....that is caused by intelligence and the ability to think for oneself...
    Of course, one must compromise, but this goes only so far....and varies day to day....."confusing" for some, I am sure..

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly like saying everyone should be allowed to spell just however they want, use whatever language they want, and to hell with the masses if no one ever knows what you're saying.
    Yeah , yeah, whatever you say, Jerry.
    Or is a Nazi a rigid extremest ?

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    No one belongs to nothing, which is what you would have to be as an independent or unaffiliated, etc. You have to be truly neutral on every conceivable issue.
    That's not what it means.

    I'm independant because my support depends on the issue. I'm left social and right economic (libertarian) in general, but I disagree often enough with libertarians (green, pro-war, pro-life) that I'm not invited to their club - and let's face it, they suck anyway

    I'm also pro-executive power and tend to support the president, whatever party it may be. I support Hillary over other dems (despite her healthcare) because she's a hawk (at least, I think so, relatively).

    You can't put me left when I distain entitlement programs and prefer a "national defense only" policy and you can't put me right with anti-capital punishment, pro-gay and pro-green.


    So, what do you suggest?


    ps. "Neutral" on most things would be a centrist or a moderate, I figure.
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