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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Being an independent I would challenge you to prove that I don't have the balls to take a position on any issue. I would further challenge you to prove that I am a liar.
    Yes you would like this thread to be made all about you, I'm sure. Please save the attention whoring for the Basement.

    I forgot to add Centrist into the mix, as it also doesn't actually mean anything, just like independent, moderate and unaffiliated. Together they are the emo-gothic rejects of politics, uniform in their anti-conformist ways. An ironically paradoxical existence.

    As these labels are not expressions of belonging or allegiance, the instant an opinion on any issue falls on the conservative or liberal side, however slight, that person becomes a lair; they claim they are not of the lean which their position resides. All opinions fall to one side or the other, there are no exceptions.

    Those who reserve opinions so as not to fall on either side of an issue, are the cowards; they are afraid to take a stand, even a reasonable one.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    I think it would actually be a better idea to allow people to write in their own political lean, rather than selecting their ideology from a drop-down menu.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think it would actually be a better idea to allow people to write in their own political lean, rather than selecting their ideology from a drop-down menu.
    That's exactly like saying everyone should be allowed to spell just however they want, use whatever language they want, and to hell with the masses if no one ever knows what you're saying.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If I had my way, I would get rid of the "Lean" option altogether. Most people are a mix of leans on issues, which is why I think independent or unaffiliated apply to most folks here... or at least most folks who don't follow lockstep with a political party or affiliation. Also, when someone sees a particular lean under a poster's name, many will automatically stereotype that poster's positions on things... when many have a variety of positions.

    I see nothing beneficial about leans. They are not accurate for most and they promote stereotyping.
    I do agree with you that it does promote stereotyping.

    However, I always find it interesting when I see two people of different ideologies agree with each other, or when I agree with someone who has an opposing ideology. So that's why I would like to keep it - I like to see those issues where I agree with those whose ideologies I oppose.

    So while most times it is used to illustrate wedges it also sometimes used to find common ground.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly like saying everyone should be allowed to spell just however they want, use whatever language they want, and to hell with the masses if no one ever knows what you're saying.
    Not really, but whatever.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not really, but whatever.
    Questo č esattamente ciņ che significa. Abbiamo bisogno di un vocabolario comune in modo che possiamo capire gli altri.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If I had my way, I would get rid of the "Lean" option altogether. Most people are a mix of leans on issues, which is why I think independent or unaffiliated apply to most folks here... or at least most folks who don't follow lockstep with a political party or affiliation. Also, when someone sees a particular lean under a poster's name, many will automatically stereotype that poster's positions on things... when many have a variety of positions.

    I see nothing beneficial about leans. They are not accurate for most and they promote stereotyping.
    Those who follow 'in lockstep' with any party are few and far between to begin with. A lean is just a lean, not a firm standing.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Questo č esattamente ciņ che significa. Abbiamo bisogno di un vocabolario comune in modo che possiamo capire gli altri.
    And if nobody understands what you're saying you will generally be ignored. It goes both ways.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    And if nobody understands what you're saying you will generally be ignored. It goes both ways.
    Exactly. Thank you.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes you would like this thread to be made all about you, I'm sure. Please save the attention whoring for the Basement.

    I forgot to add Centrist into the mix, as it also doesn't actually mean anything, just like independent, moderate and unaffiliated. Together they are the emo-gothic rejects of politics, uniform in their anti-conformist ways. An ironically paradoxical existence.

    As these labels are not expressions of belonging or allegiance, the instant an opinion on any issue falls on the conservative or liberal side, however slight, that person becomes a lair; they claim they are not of the lean which their position resides. All opinions fall to one side or the other, there are no exceptions.

    Those who reserve opinions so as not to fall on either side of an issue, are the cowards; they are afraid to take a stand, even a reasonable one.
    Sorry I can't speak for any other Independent. So excuse me for only speaking for myself and not anyone else. If some other Independent wants to challenge you the same way then that is thier perogative and i'll root them on. But you are the one that made an assertion about a lean that I associate with using generalities. Which means you included me in that list. Sorry if it offends you having to back up your own asserstions when called out on your BS.

    And being an independent is about an overall perspective for me. Not an individual issue's perspective.
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