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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Except that 'liberal' and 'conservative' are not parties
    unless you aren't from the US.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    lean/ideology =/= party affiliation.

    The way I see it, liberal and conservative already exist. Those should be acceptable.

    how about we add fascist, communist, anarchist, libertarian socialist, etc. first? Those are legitimate ideologies.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Well, here's my deal. I am a pro-gun, pro-life, fiscally conservative kind of guy guided by the dictates of reason and logic. I am against the very idea of government cheese being considered as an entitlement or a lifetime security blanket employer and I have my own, personal, spiritual beliefs mostly guided by the teachings of Christ. That makes me pretty conservative. Or, that is to say, it used to.

    You see, where I part with the modern day, "across the board," definition of today's self-proclaimed conservatives, is that, how I live MY life is the way I live MY life. You won't see me standing on the corners at abortion clinics, picketing a soldier's funeral, or telling the government they should make laws because I want my neighbor to live like I want them to live. You won't see me siding with the conservative talking heads, the Becks, Hannity's, Limbaugh, Coulter's, etc., as they spew their hateful line of thinking and whore themselves to further divide our nation all in the name of money and ratings. I can see them for what they are.

    Further, I can sit down and enjoy the company with just about any polite gentle-person regardless of their politics without becoming an asshole. I take the approach that we are all Americans and love our country, politics be damned. That's not very "conservative" of me, according to the loudest of them.

    So, to make a long story short, they revoked my conservative card. I don't seem to measure up anymore.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    'Independent' and 'unaffiliated' are groups lairs and/or those without the balls to take a position on any issue take. IMO they should both be deleted, not expanded.
    Being an independent I would challenge you to prove that I don't have the balls to take a position on any issue. I would further challenge you to prove that I am a liar.

    As for the OP's question. Don't care as I will keep my lean no matter if they add em or not.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    If I had my way, I would get rid of the "Lean" option altogether. Most people are a mix of leans on issues, which is why I think independent or unaffiliated apply to most folks here... or at least most folks who don't follow lockstep with a political party or affiliation. Also, when someone sees a particular lean under a poster's name, many will automatically stereotype that poster's positions on things... when many have a variety of positions.

    I see nothing beneficial about leans. They are not accurate for most and they promote stereotyping.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    'Independent' and 'unaffiliated' are groups lairs and/or those without the balls to take a position on any issue take. IMO they should both be deleted, not expanded.
    There is no technology that can measure the wrongness of this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Political lean is about Ideology, not party affiliation......

    .....anyone who claims to have an Independent ideology......is confused.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    unless you aren't from the US.
    DP's political affiliations are based on US politics, so if there is any change needed it would be to reflect international politics as well.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    There is no technology that can measure the wrongness of this post.
    Because you can't prove a negative.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    'Independent' and 'unaffiliated' are groups lairs and/or those without the balls to take a position on any issue take. IMO they should both be deleted, not expanded.
    ..or persons that really do not fit into any other category. I am financially very conservative, somewhat socially liberal, and I am also a staunch supporter of limited government that strictly follows the constitution and the limits placed on it by the constitution.

    So if you were to place the label of conservative, liberal, or libertarian on me you would be partially correct but it would not really reflect my views as a whole.

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