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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Why not just remove the selection all together and let people type in what they want?

    There are more leans than there are options and clearly people have different ideas about what their lean should be. So why not give them the freedom to fill in the blank?

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    So what's the deal, Jerry?


    Lucky says I'm a pro-life liberal. Unfortunately for him, this was a snap judgement and probably ignored the libertarian base. I'm right wing economically. And then he found out I'm a neocon on foreign policy (Cheney might be my favorite VP ever). I don't think he wants me in the liberal group anymore.

    You don't mind a pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization, anti-death penalty, green (not AGW), rabid-hawk (money is no object) conservative on the team, right? I'm in, right?

    You said everyone must be one or the other, and I don't think the libs want me.

    What are we gonna do? You could claim I'm stupid or that my philosophy is inconsistent, but I think that would be a mistake.


    No one belongs to nothing, which is what you would have to be as an independent or unaffiliated, etc. You have to be truly neutral on every conceivable issue.
    That's ignorant.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-10-11 at 03:01 PM.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So what's the deal, Jerry?
    What are you asking here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Lucky says I'm a pro-life liberal. Unfortunately for him, this was a snap judgement and probably ignored the libertarian base. I'm right wing economically. And then he found out I'm a neocon on foreign policy (Cheney might be my favorite VP ever). I don't think he wants me in the liberal group anymore.
    You didn't clarify anything I didn't understand about you in my last post to you, so as you've given me no new information, I don't know what sort of response, other than trolling, you're trying to get from me.

    If trolling is all you want from me, I can oblige. Please let me know either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't mind a pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization, anti-death penalty, green (not AGW), rabid-hawk (money is no object) conservative on the team, right? I'm in, right?
    Pro-legalization...of what? Immigration? Hard drugs? Just pot? Machine-guns?

    What does "green" mean? What is AGW and how do your views differ from it?


    Quote Originally Posted by darkslategray
    You said everyone must be one or the other, and I don't think the libs want me.


    Quote Originally Posted by darkslategray
    What are we gonna do?
    I generally play it by ear.
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-10-11 at 04:05 PM.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I think it's more accurate to say that trading partners don't fight with each other.

    How do you feel about the progressive label, in place of socialist? (Or is that even an option?)
    You're right, that might be a more accurate way to put it. Financial interdependence is a good way to ensure peace. The other way is sex (usually in the form of intermarriage).

    I would add both. They're not the same thing. Though I might have difficulty choosing which one I felt closer to. Maybe I just don't have a good understanding of what "progressive" really means.
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So what's the deal, Jerry?


    Lucky says I'm a pro-life liberal. Unfortunately for him, this was a snap judgement and probably ignored the libertarian base. I'm right wing economically. And then he found out I'm a neocon on foreign policy (Cheney might be my favorite VP ever). I don't think he wants me in the liberal group anymore.

    You don't mind a pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization, anti-death penalty, green (not AGW), rabid-hawk (money is no object) conservative on the team, right? I'm in, right?

    You said everyone must be one or the other, and I don't think the libs want me.

    What are we gonna do? You could claim I'm stupid or that my philosophy is inconsistent, but I think that would be a mistake.
    Okay, then, how about small L libertarian? I think of that as being fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You're right, that might be a more accurate way to put it. Financial interdependence is a good way to ensure peace. The other way is sex (usually in the form of intermarriage).

    I would add both. They're not the same thing. Though I might have difficulty choosing which one I felt closer to. Maybe I just don't have a good understanding of what "progressive" really means.
    Progressives, going by what I've read from those who self-describe as such, are the ones who really fell hard for BO's line about "fundamentally transforming America." They're secular, equality-oriented in just about everything, comfortable with wealth-redistrubution through taxation, and suspicious of American power and influence globally.

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Why not just remove the selection all together and let people type in what they want?

    There are more leans than there are options and clearly people have different ideas about what their lean should be. So why not give them the freedom to fill in the blank?
    Good idea. At the very least we need more options. I was a little dismayed that I had to pick the ambiguous 'Other.'
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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Good idea. At the very least we need more options. I was a little dismayed that I had to pick the ambiguous 'Other.'
    Maybe some people are just putting too fine a point on it. The question is "lean?" Not "define your philosophy in one word."

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Okay, then, how about small L libertarian? I think of that as being fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
    Libertarian is a party, and as such there are conservative libertarians ( who emphasis personal responsibility) and liberal libertarians (who want all drugs legalized).

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    Re: Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Good idea. At the very least we need more options. I was a little dismayed that I had to pick the ambiguous 'Other.'
    I agree, 'other' needs to go away.

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