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  • For an innocent's life?

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  • For anyone's life?

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  • To protect a person from non-fatal harm? Please explain.

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Thread: Would you Die?

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes to all. It was a decision I made long ago when I decided to go into law enforcement, and the fact that I am no longer in LE for family reasons doesn't change my basic viewpoint. Yes, I am willing to risk death for a loved one, an innocent, or in some cases a stranger. I would risk death to protect a loved one from rape or other severe harm.
    nicely put.

    I would definitely risk my life for a stranger. Put it on the line.

    Sacrificing I reserve for loved ones. Or EVERYBODY in the theoretical case I mentioned.
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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have a few questions regarding life and sacrifice.


    1. Would you sacrifice yourself to save a loved one?
    Yes, more specifically my kids.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    2. Would you die for an innocent person?
    I would do everything in my power to help someone else if I could, but I can't simply lay down my life for others while I have kids of my own to live for, so no.

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    3. Would you die to save any person?
    No.

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    4. Would you die to see any of these three escape harm?
    In this instance, the same answers basically apply. I would die to prevent my children from being raped or physically harmed. There are a few friends I would risk my life for, but just anyone-probably not.

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    Why?

    *You can have multiple answers.
    As I said, if I died for a stranger, I couldn't be there for my kids. Priorities are what's important here. Who is more important to you, Wake? Me or your family? I'm betting you likely wouldn't die for me, but for a close family member-that's a different story. Take the scenario below, but instead of a stranger on the railroad tracks, imagine a family member..your child. Would you pull that lever to save a bunch of strangers?

    Harvard psychologist Joshua Greene does brain scans of people as they ponder the so-called trolley problem. Suppose a trolley is rolling down the track toward five people who will die unless you pull a lever that diverts it onto another track--where, unfortunately, lies one person who will die instead. An easy call, most people say: minimizing the loss of life--a "utilitarian" goal, as philosophers put it--is the right thing to do.

    But suppose the only way to save the five people is to push someone else onto the track--a bystander whose body will bring the trolley to a halt before it hits the others. It's still a one-for-five swap, and you still initiate the action that dooms the one--but now you are more directly implicated; most people say it would be wrong to do this deal. Why? According to Greene's brain scans, the second scenario--the "up close and personal" intervention, he calls it--more thoroughly excites parts of the brain linked to emotion than does the lever-pulling scenario. Apparently the intuitive aversion to giving someone a lethal push is stronger than the aversion to a lethal lever pull.

    Read more: Essay: The Brain: How We Make Life-and-Death Decisions - TIME
    For me, a lot of lives, perhaps even billions, would need to be at stake before I killed my own child. Is that selfish?

    How about scenarios where people are hiding from soldiers who would kill them, and a woman's baby starts crying. Should she smother it to save herself and the others?
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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Yes, more specifically my kids.



    I would do everything in my power to help someone else if I could, but I can't simply lay down my life for others while I have kids of my own to live for, so no.



    No.



    In this instance, the same answers basically apply. I would die to prevent my children from being raped or physically harmed. There are a few friends I would risk my life for, but just anyone-probably not.



    As I said, if I died for a stranger, I couldn't be there for my kids. Priorities are what's important here. Who is more important to you, Wake? Me or your family? I'm betting you likely wouldn't die for me, but for a close family member-that's a different story. Take the scenario below, but instead of a stranger on the railroad tracks, imagine a family member..your child. Would you pull that lever to save a bunch of strangers?



    For me, a lot of lives, perhaps even billions, would need to be at stake before I killed my own child. Is that selfish?

    How about scenarios where people are hiding from soldiers who would kill them, and a woman's baby starts crying. Should she smother it to save herself and the others?
    Good post with brain candy. In regards to the baby/soldier scenario... that was from "The Sound of Music"? Or "Gone with the Wind"?

    I digress. There's much to wonder about the worth of a life and who discerns the worth.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Good post with brain candy. In regards to the baby/soldier scenario... that was from "The Sound of Music"? Or "Gone with the Wind"?

    I digress. There's much to wonder about the worth of a life and who discerns the worth.
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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have a few questions regarding life and sacrifice.


    1. Would you sacrifice yourself to save a loved one?

    2. Would you die for an innocent person?

    3. Would you die to save any person?

    4. Would you die to see any of these three escape harm?

    Why?

    *You can have multiple answers.
    I couldn't possibly know what I would do in any other those situations without being in them first. So, I hope I never have an answer for your poll.
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    Re: Would you Die?

    The only person I'd ever give my life for without a second thought is my daughter. I'm sorry, everyone else, but I'm not willing to die for you as long as my kid still needs me. When she's an adult, maybe I'll reconsider.
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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The only person I'd ever give my life for without a second thought is my daughter. I'm sorry, everyone else, but I'm not willing to die for you as long as my kid still needs me. When she's an adult, maybe I'll reconsider.
    Ditto that. I don't think I could make the ultimate sacrifice while my kids still needed me.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The only person I'd ever give my life for without a second thought is my daughter. I'm sorry, everyone else, but I'm not willing to die for you as long as my kid still needs me. When she's an adult, maybe I'll reconsider.
    A perfectly natural and reasonable position. Bad in the "old days", single men were preferred for high-risk missions...

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    Re: Would you Die?

    I'm going to wait and find out what Wake really created this thread for, since I caught a whift of "bait and switch" when I opened it. If it turns out to be straight forward, without any "aha, gotcha!" moments, then I might give thought to a serious reply.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Good post with brain candy. In regards to the baby/soldier scenario... that was from "The Sound of Music"? Or "Gone with the Wind"?

    I digress. There's much to wonder about the worth of a life and who discerns the worth.

    yeah wake! What did you really start this thread for? I just know there's a hidden agenda here.

    But no, I was thinking of the last episode of Mash. As far as who discerns other people's worth, we all do it. Most people choose whatever is easiest for them.
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