View Poll Results: Would you sacrifice yourself? [Multiple Choice]

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  • For a loved one's life?

    21 91.30%
  • For an innocent's life?

    9 39.13%
  • For anyone's life?

    4 17.39%
  • To protect a person from non-fatal harm? Please explain.

    4 17.39%
  • Do nothing?

    1 4.35%
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Thread: Would you Die?

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes to all. It was a decision I made long ago when I decided to go into law enforcement, and the fact that I am no longer in LE for family reasons doesn't change my basic viewpoint. Yes, I am willing to risk death for a loved one, an innocent, or in some cases a stranger. I would risk death to protect a loved one from rape or other severe harm.
    I think it's natural that law enforcement, and perhaps military personnel would answer this question a bit differently from others. For instance, I personally wouldn't commit to #3. But I think that when a police officer does such a thing, he or she may not be doing it purely for the sake of that person. It may also involve an idealistic, altruistic, and/or emotional attachment to the badge and what it stands for (to Protect and Serve), and allegiance to the rule of law.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-05-11 at 05:39 PM.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes to all. It was a decision I made long ago when I decided to go into law enforcement, and the fact that I am no longer in LE for family reasons doesn't change my basic viewpoint. Yes, I am willing to risk death for a loved one, an innocent, or in some cases a stranger. I would risk death to protect a loved one from rape or other severe harm.

    But... would you die for any person?

    Would you only die to protect the loved one form death or rape?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No.



    Yes.



    Not necessarily.



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    Why do you judge who deserves to live?




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    To add to this:

    Instead of letting the person die from your inaction, what if instead you shot the person you decided not to die for?

    Complicates matters, it seems.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But... would you die for any person?

    Would you only die to protect the loved one form death or rape?



    Why do you judge who deserves to live?




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    To add to this:

    Instead of letting the person die from your inaction, what if instead you shot the person you decided not to die for?

    Complicates matters, it seems.
    I don't. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't sacrifice myself for just any other human being. There are plenty of people that exist on this earth that are not worth the sacrifice. For instance I wouldn't lift a finger to save a rapist.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-05-11 at 05:46 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But... would you die for any person?

    Would you only die to protect the loved one form death or rape?
    ANY person? Not necessarily. Back when I was a cop, I would act to protect any person who appeared to be innocent of immediate wrongdoing, including putting my one and only self between them and the threat of death, knowing little or nothing about them. Been there, done that.
    Now, I'm not LE... I would still be inclined to risk my life to protect a stranger if that stranger appeared to be innocent of immediate wrongdoing and desperately in need of protection.
    OTOH would I risk my life for a known scumbag? No.

    Also there's some diff between "risk my life" and "knowingly accept certain death"... maybe you should define your question a bit more narrowly?




    Why do you judge who deserves to live?
    If I'm exchanging my life for theirs, yes I get to decide for the obvious reason that it is MY life on the line.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Instead of letting the person die from your inaction, what if instead you shot the person you decided not to die for?

    Complicates matters, it seems.
    You'd need to expand on why this is my only viable option before I could answer.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Instead of letting the person die from your inaction, what if instead you shot the person you decided not to die for?

    Complicates matters, it seems.
    I'm probing philosophical depths. It makes me wonder just why and how a person would die for others. To pinpoint certain recurring reasons and question them as well.

    @Goshin: I suppose I was merely curious to see the person's reasonings if a sharper blade were added to the mix.

    What would I do? I'm not so sure.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    At any time my answer may be yes and at anytime my answer maybe no for the various questions. Way to hypothetical for me.
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    Re: Would you Die?

    I would die wantingly and happily to protect the person i love because i believe the value of the life of the person i love is far greater than my own.

    I would die happily because it is honorable to protect the vulnerable and innocent, i was thinking of a battlefield and me being a soldier in this case.
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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I'm probing philosophical depths. It makes me wonder just why and how a person would die for others. To pinpoint certain recurring reasons and question them as well.
    I believe it is principles that people die for; the identity of the other is of little matter, provided they fit the principle. Generally, it is the defense of others (however misguided or even insane a particular rationale may be). Altruism can be cast aside, as it is an instinctual and self-rewarding act to provide for the common defense (given ability).
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-05-11 at 06:24 PM.

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    Re: Would you Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    But why? Aren't all lives precious?

    Only certain lives matter to you?

    What if by your perception you merely disliked the person? Would you allow him/her to die?

    Furthermore, how could you die for the ones you selected? We humans are deceitful. We have numerous flaws, so why die for them?
    I've TOLD people not to drown if I'm the only one around to save you.

    Which is HARSH coming from me because I'm a dive into the freezing water to buy those people down there time type. I tend to move between the danger and the endangered, if that makes sense.

    So me:

    1 and 2 and sometimes 3.

    And from the Buddhist perspective, would I die to end suffering in the world. Yes, if I was sure it would really happen.
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