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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Not to mention how often will the test be done? From my understanding and Id have to check even if its every 90 days this will catch people that randomly smoke weed and could miss everything else.
    And it's not like there aren't ways to beat piss tests. Even if you ignore the questionable use of government force against the individual's right to secure their person from unreasonable search; it's not clear that we'd even save any money doing this. It's quite possible it could cost money to do this. It's government, it's not like they're efficient with their money.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I definitely think ALL narcotics need a better catch system because its where alot of abuse starts.
    I agree 100%. Working in a pharmacy really opened my eyes to prescription drug abuse. And based on my experience, roughly 50-75% of those narcotics are paid for by Medicare or state Medicaid programs. People go doctor shopping and they'll write prescriptions like candy. At the pharmacy end we have to keep it very tightly controlled, but I think we also need regulation at the physicians end as well. There definitely needs to be better channels of communication between the physicians and pharmacists as well.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Not to mention how often will the test be done? From my understanding and Id have to check even if its every 90 days this will catch people that randomly smoke weed and could miss everything else.

    In Florida there are 1.7 million people on food stamps. At 10.40 a pop that is 17,680,000 every ninety days (assuming testing every 90 days) that is 70,720,000 every year (4 test per year) and that is only for people on food stamps.

    Also of course rent would have to be paid for a facility as well as up keep and a staff would have to paid for as well.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I agree 100%. Working in a pharmacy really opened my eyes to prescription drug abuse. And based on my experience, roughly 50-75% of those narcotics are paid for by Medicare or state Medicaid programs. People go doctor shopping and they'll write prescriptions like candy. At the pharmacy end we have to keep it very tightly controlled, but I think we also need regulation at the physicians end as well. There definitely needs to be better channels of communication between the physicians and pharmacists as well.
    Prescription drugs are the most abused.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Prescription drugs are the most abused.
    I agree, and I believe they are because they are readily available and usually very cheap through an insurance company or Medicare/Medicaid. There are also doctors that will write prescriptions for them at a whim.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And it's not like there aren't ways to beat piss tests. Even if you ignore the questionable use of government force against the individual's right to secure their person from unreasonable search; it's not clear that we'd even save any money doing this. It's quite possible it could cost money to do this. It's government, it's not like they're efficient with their money.
    how is it unreasonable to expect freeloaders to stay off drugs? however, any crackhead will tell you, all you need is a couple days notice and you can beat the test. when I was fosterparenting, one of the crackhead mom's knew she was getting tested every thursday. she smoked crack thursday evening thru monday morning. crack only stays detectable in your system for 72 hours. i once saw the bitch light up the crack pipe in her car sitting in the DHR parking lot immediately following he weekly drug test. being the ass that I am, I promptly ratted her out and they retested her. ding, ding, ding...we have a winner
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    how is it unreasonable to expect freeloaders to stay off drugs? however, any crackhead will tell you, all you need is a couple days notice and you can beat the test. when I was fosterparenting, one of the crackhead mom's knew she was getting tested every thursday. she smoked crack thursday evening thru monday morning. crack only stays detectable in your system for 72 hours. i once saw the bitch light up the crack pipe in her car sitting in the DHR parking lot immediately following he weekly drug test. being the ass that I am, I promptly ratted her out and they retested her. ding, ding, ding...we have a winner
    I didn't say it was unreasonable. I wanted to know how much it will cost, how much it will save, and the larger ramifications for throwing these people off welfare. Because that will tell me if this is something I can support. Not your made up "everyone on welfare is a crackhead" crap going on. I want to know the real functional implementation and results for this plan.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you're saying we should spend at almost 4-7 million dollars (that's not counting facilities, workers, blah blah blah) a year to test for this.
    How much money is spent on welfare and food-stamps in the state of Florida?
    If this totals in the billions the 4-7 million is chump change.

    How well can we actually find these people (meaning what percentage of drug using welfare recipients will we catch with this? Even if you test everyone it's still not 100%).
    It shouldn't that hard to test them. Give them an hour notice and tell them if they want the welfare check then they have to go to one of the approved drug testing facilities,get tested and when they show up in the system they get mailed their check.

    What do you do when you remove them from benefits? Do you think this can have negative side effects (increased crime, increased cost to us for police/jail/etc?). How much are we "saving" by throwing these people off welfare? Is it more than 4-7 million?
    A vast majority of those 58,000 people are not going to piss hot. So the cost would not be that much.Besides that if they got money to spend on drugs then obviously they are not in a dire financial situation.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    It is actually a great idea. There is a large faction of people that are on welfare because they can't get a job due to their dependency. Make them get sober and get a job. It isn't societies responsibility to support meth heads and stoners.
    And what will happen when you cut them off? Will they stop being dependent? I guess when I think about this I want to know the purpose for checking. If it is just to kick them off wlefare, I have to ask what youn think will happen next?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If this totals in the billions the 4-7 million is chump change.
    It would be. Will FL save billions of dollars by doing this?
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