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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Who said anything about hucking them into the street, besides the majority on welfare are the ones selling the drugs, driving two cars, working under the table, buying lottery tickets and cigarettes etc.
    Prove this statement. Prove that the majority of welfare recipients are selling drugs, driving two cars, working under the table, etc. That or don't make stupid comments that cannot be supported by reality.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    They have no job
    They are on drugs
    They have not stopped...

    What would you have me think? They are all angels that are just down on their luck? Please. They are users that are abusing drugs and abusing the system.
    I would like you to think like a human. You are making improper assumptions that their drug use is at fault. When if fact, it could very well not be. Let's say that I was in a job that due to the economic downturn got eliminated. I'm on welfare/unemployment because the economy is tough and it's taking a while to even find employment (we're near 9% still, we had gotten close to 10%). During my time off work, a buddy offers me a joint; I smoke it. Is my smoking of that joint making me not get a job? No. If within a year I was given the survey and they asked if I used drugs in the past year, I would answer yes as I had a joint. But am I unemployed because of the drugs? Can I not find a job because of the drugs? No.

    Humans are capable of higher order thought, it's time to employ it. What you are saying is not supported by your source. In fact, your source says the EXACT OPPOSITE. People who are dependent upon drugs (what you keep claiming), is a small minority. It is not the 20% you continually and dishonestly keep trying to claim.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    How large is this fraction?
    irrelevant... 1% would be too high
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    irrelevant... 1% would be too high
    It is relevant. I want to know how bad the problem is (according to KSU's link, it's 3-5% of welfare recipients), how much it's going to cost to do this testing, how much it's going to "save". If we spend more money policing it than not, there's no point.

    I'd also like all the people claiming this is a huge problem, that we could save billions, or that the majority of welfare recipients are drug dealers to actually put up numbers or shut up because if they have no numbers, they have no proof, and everything they are saying is based on their personal bias and not scientific study or hard number measurement.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So if we are going to test for all these drugs:

    AMC110


    10 Drugs - Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Opiates, Marijuana, PCP, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines, Methadone, TCA (Tricyclic Anti-Depressants)


    $260.00 per case of 25
    ($10.40) each

    The costs adds up pretty quickly.
    58,000 people x $10.40 to test each person just once a year = $603,200

    $603,200 x 6 random tests per person in a year = $3,619,200.00

    $603,200 x being tested once a month for a year = $7,238,400



    PolitiFact Florida | Scott-O-Meter: Require drug screening for welfare recipients
    The Florida Legislature delivered Gov. Rick Scott a victory in the closing days of the 2011 legislative session when it passed a measure requiring all Floridians who receive cash welfare assistance to first pass a drug test.

    Scott had run for office promising a drug-testing requirement, and worked to broaden an original drug-testing bill that would have applied only to recent drug felons.

    The final bill, HB 353, forces all people who receive welfare cash, called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, to pass a test in order to be eligible for the funds. If prospective recipients fail a first test, they would lose benefits for one year. A second positive drug test makes them ineligible for three years. The new testing requirement would affect about 58,000 people.

    And there what if a persons contests the results....
    Take another test.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    irrelevant... 1% would be too high
    Its VERY relevant if it costs more money and doesnt fix anything.
    ANd just for a point of reference way more than 1% of the working class are already abusing drugs.

    I agree I dont want these people abusing the system either nor should they be allowed to but I cant simply say the percentage its irrelevant because thats not true. Especially in the content it was being questioned, it was being questioned against somebody falsely saying LARGE FRACTION
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    I completely support this. I think they also need to tightly control all the narcotics that welfare recipients get via Medicaid.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    58,000 people x $10.40 to test each person just once a year = $603,200

    $603,200 x 6 random tests per person in a year = $3,619,200.00

    $603,200 x being tested once a month for a year = $7,238,400



    PolitiFact Florida | Scott-O-Meter: Require drug screening for welfare recipients
    The Florida Legislature delivered Gov. Rick Scott a victory in the closing days of the 2011 legislative session when it passed a measure requiring all Floridians who receive cash welfare assistance to first pass a drug test.

    Scott had run for office promising a drug-testing requirement, and worked to broaden an original drug-testing bill that would have applied only to recent drug felons.

    The final bill, HB 353, forces all people who receive welfare cash, called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, to pass a test in order to be eligible for the funds. If prospective recipients fail a first test, they would lose benefits for one year. A second positive drug test makes them ineligible for three years. The new testing requirement would affect about 58,000 people.



    Take another test.

    So you're saying we should spend at almost 4-7 million dollars (that's not counting facilities, workers, blah blah blah) a year to test for this. How well can we actually find these people (meaning what percentage of drug using welfare recipients will we catch with this? Even if you test everyone it's still not 100%). What do you do when you remove them from benefits? Do you think this can have negative side effects (increased crime, increased cost to us for police/jail/etc?). How much are we "saving" by throwing these people off welfare? Is it more than 4-7 million?
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So if we are going to test for all these drugs:

    AMC110


    10 Drugs - Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Opiates, Marijuana, PCP, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines, Methadone, TCA (Tricyclic Anti-Depressants)


    $260.00 per case of 25
    ($10.40) each

    The costs adds up pretty quickly.

    And there what if a persons contests the results....
    Not to mention how often will the test be done? From my understanding and Id have to check even if its every 90 days this will catch people that randomly smoke weed and could miss everything else.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I completely support this. I think they also need to tightly control all the narcotics that welfare recipients get via Medicaid.
    I definitely think ALL narcotics need a better catch system because its where alot of abuse starts.
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