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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Thats not a very large fraction

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    Really? Maybe you could tell the class what it is as a percentage.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And how is that dependence problem going to be solved by yanking their benefits out from them?
    It depends on how you define the problem. The problem is that people are using tax payer money to fund their drug abuse. Kicking them off the rolls solves that problem.

    Do you think that drug addicts are rational actors who are governed by the invisible hand of the market? No! They are looking for their next fix, and if you take away their money without also taking away their addiction, the ones who are truly addicted will turn to crime to finance their habit. If you're really concerned about drug addicts on welfare, then it would make more sense to get them treatment than to cut them off. They aren't going to be able to keep a job as long as they're addicted anyway.
    So what you are saying is we should allow people to use money for illegal purposes because they'll make another bad decision if we don't? I'm fine with people getting free help...there is a lot of it out there. Just don't expect to keep getting that help if you use it to brake the law
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Can an argument be made that such a law is an invasion of privacy? An infringement of the right against self-incrimination?
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What's with the rolling eyes. You said LARGE FACTION. The link you gave, that report, says that the folk you're talking about is not a large faction, but a small minority.

    You may want to actually read the stuff you post so you don't post something foolish.
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    I have to say that was one of the most dishonest representation of facts I have seen on here, You are right Ikari not only is his statement 100% wrong, his proof totally goes against him and he is trying to play drastic word games. Its almost like he thinks what he original wrote is going to go away. just say you misspoke that all.

    Anyway on to the OP. I didnt vote because I would vote other. Although I might go back and vote yes.

    In theory I think this is an awesome Idea as I have stated in other threads but its not something as simply as drug testing them.

    How much will it cost and who pays for it?

    If the recipient pays Im fine with that but if they are clean they better get reimbursed.

    What type of test, cheaper tests are less accurate as more costly test?

    How often are the tests? I knew some users of hardcore drugs that could always beat their cheap 90 day pee test because some drugs dont stay in your system long.

    Once found not clean then what? no benefits for a 6months? a year? etc

    Once found not clean is help offered? how much help? who pays for that?

    again I really do think this is a great idea and would LOVE for it to be implemented but its not a "flick of the switch" issue. It needs a solid plan laid out and it seems it might not actually save MONEY at all but it may save or improve lives and make some productive and that Im more than ok with.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Can an argument be made that such a law is an invasion of privacy? An infringement of the right against self-incrimination?
    Possibly but since unemployment and welfare is voluntary and drug screening for jobs and other benifits (insurance etc) already exsists Im not sure it would go far.

    I mean yes the 90% of people that are clean some of them might feel they are being puniished for the very few that do abuse the system but the vast majority of any job they get are also going to drug screen them.

    I think it would lose based on premise.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    No. Marginalizing and trying to "starve out" addicts just creates more crime and poverty. Half the problem is that we have so few resources for addicts as it is, and the drug war culture makes people afraid to admit they have a problem, on top of the difficulty of dealing with it.

    As offensive as it is to the mentality of people who would rather punish people for the audacity to be human, the exact opposite works much better: harm reduction programs. It increases the rates at which addicts go to rehab, and lowers crime.

    I am not concerned with whether it serves some people's desire for vengeance. I'm only concerned with what works best.

    In addition, a casual pot smoker is not any more an addict or inhibited from functioning than a casual drinker. There is absolutely no reason to discriminate against this sort of drug use (which is already perfectly acceptable in society as long as the drug has some totally arbitrary stamp of government approval). Marijuana lingers in your urine for up to a month, sometimes even longer if you're overweight. It lingers in hair for much longer, unless you shave it. Should someone who smoked a joint last month at their birthday party be thrown off benefit? Seriously?
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    Also: After CNY Central broke the news that the New York State Senate is considering a law to require welfare recipients to undergo drug tests, many readers wondered about the cost of such a requirement.

    Under Senate Bill 174, if a person on public assistance tests positive for illegal drugs, he or she would be required to undergo drug treatment. The bill says only that the fiscal implications are "to be determined."


    Most states can hardly afford to hand out welfare, much less provide drug testing, and treatment for those who may be positive. Besides, it's painting an entire demographic in a negative light. More people are receiving food stamps now because of the high unemployment. Most of these people are not drug addicts.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Can an argument be made that such a law is an invasion of privacy? An infringement of the right against self-incrimination?
    ....oh the ACLU will most assuredly make the case........and do their best to ensure the DNC Base can have their drugs and welfare too!
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    You asking for a little honesty is hypocritical.

    First, whether or not they are on marijuana is not relevant and it is dishonest to even bring it into the discussion. Marijuana is illegal and its use is considered abuse. For you to imply that marijuana is not relevant is dishonest. Second, they are on welfare, they don't have jobs and admit to using drugs. It may be an assumption, but it is a valid assumption to tie the lack of a job with drug use..especially since almost every company in the United States tests for drugs. The fact that some slip through the cracks does not mean that these drug users can find work. Third, if you are unemployed and one condition to getting a job is to not use drugs and you are still using drugs...you are dependent. If you don't have the will power to stop using drugs so that you can get a job...you are dependent.
    It's NOT a valid assumption. Because certain drugs under light use will not cause dependency. YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS TO MAKE CONCLUSIONS NOT SUPPORTED BY LOGIC OR REALITY.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Considering the eternity spent by many Democrats sucking the Social Teet........

    .........this could save Billions........and help thwart Drug Dealers, Gangs, The DNC Base, and Criminals.
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    Prove it. You made the claim, prove it. Show me how drug testing people on welfare will save "billions" first off. And that it will thwart drug dealers, gangs, the DNC base, and criminals. That or don't make stupid comments not supported by reality.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's NOT a valid assumption. Because certain drugs under light use will not cause dependency. YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS TO MAKE CONCLUSIONS NOT SUPPORTED BY LOGIC OR REALITY.
    They have no job
    They are on drugs
    They have not stopped...

    What would you have me think? They are all angels that are just down on their luck? Please. They are users that are abusing drugs and abusing the system.
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