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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That isn't entirely true. If I am given a grant for school I am only allowed to use that money for school-related expensives. I can't go out and buy a pair of $500 shoes. There is no reason that welfare money shouldn't have the same type of restrictions placed upon it. Again, the point of welfare is temporary help, not permanent entitlement. It should be made hard to receive, inconvenient, and limited.
    You may change how the money is handed out, yes. Perhaps that is the better avenue to explore. However, as it stands that is not the system we operate under. Under that system, there are consequences to having it built the way it is. One consequence is it does then become possible for people to sell their stamps or whatever for cash in order to feed a drug addiction. But the government is still restricted in how it can act against the individual; that too is a consequence of our system. It is restricted from performing unreasonable searches.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    I agree about drug tests for welfare benefits. I became physically disabled, noo fault of my own. Even thenI was very reluctant to seek gov. aid. BTW does this post mean I lose my "bleeding heart liberal" label? LOL

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Again, they have a choice. They are not being forced to piss in a cup. They are asking to receive a service, the government is asking them to meet requirements. They can choose at anytime to terminate the process.
    AND if they fail said process, they can delegate someone else to receive the benefits on behalf of their minor children.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Again, they have a choice. They are not being forced to piss in a cup. They are asking to receive a service, the government is asking them to meet requirements. They can choose at anytime to terminate the process.
    We made the decision to have this program, we acted in its creation and offering of it. Just because we made a government program does not mean we can then demand people to abdicate their rights because they choose to engage in it. The choice in the system was already made the minute we decided and acted upon the creation of a welfare state. The welfare state does not remove the restrictions placed upon government.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston
    No they should not be able to do that. If a man, woman, Hispanic, black can perform the requirements of the job they have an equal right to that job.
    The bold part is why the statement fails.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We made the decision to have this program, we acted in its creation and offering of it. Just because we made a government program does not mean we can then demand people to abdicate their rights because they choose to engage in it. The choice in the system was already made the minute we decided and acted upon the creation of a welfare state. The welfare state does not remove the restrictions placed upon government.
    You're using an argument that isn't working. They aren't abdicating any rights by agreeing to prove that they are drug free. Just like they aren't abdicating their rights by agreeing to prove that their dependents are legitimate dependents. The government has an obligation to ensure that welfare money is spent in the best manner possible. Ensuring that welfare recipients are not committing fraud or crime prior to qualifying is part of that obligation.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The bold part is why the statement fails.
    Sorry I do feel people have a right sit at a lunch counter and be served. And I also feel people do have a right to a job that they can execute.
    Last edited by winston53660; 06-06-11 at 07:04 PM.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You're using an argument that isn't working. They aren't abdicating any rights by agreeing to prove that they are drug free. Just like they aren't abdicating their rights by agreeing to prove that their dependents are legitimate dependents. The government has an obligation to ensure that welfare money is spent in the best manner possible. Ensuring that welfare recipients are not committing fraud or crime prior to qualifying is part of that obligation.
    Yes, they are being forced to abdicate their rights. You can accept this money, but you can no longer secure yourself against unreasonable search (abdication of a right), or you can live on the streets and not pee in a cup. That's the realistic scenario you are trying to employ. The government is under no obligation to ensure that welfare money is spent in the best manner possible. That is not written into the welfare code. They are under obligation to provide the program to people who meet the financial qualifications of it.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Sorry I do feel people have a right sit a lunch counter and be served. And I also feel people do have a right to a job that they can execute.
    They certainly have the right to apply to any job they want.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston
    Sorry I do feel people have a right sit a lunch counter and be served. And I also feel people do have a right to a job that they can execute.
    I know you do.

    That's the easiest way to identify a liberal - they think "right" and "privilege" are interchangeable.

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