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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And you feel that the requirement to prove you are drug free is a violation of rights?

    Get a warrant.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yes a private employer can violate your rights. For example a topless bar can discriminate based on gender where as the government can not.
    And actually, there's something to that. It isn't discrimination, it's a requirement based on the service provided. An example one person used was deciding not to audition asian women to play Malcolm X.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston
    Yes a private employer can violate your rights. For example a topless bar can discriminate based on gender where as the government can not.
    True, and it shows that we should be granted fewer "rights". A private employer should be able to deny service or employment based on damn near any factor.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Get a warrant.
    Ridiculous. These people are voluntarily applying for aid. Requirements to receive aid that do not discriminate on the basis of sex, race, sexual orientation, disability, or religion are completely acceptable and in no violation of rights. If you don't wish to provide the information required you forfeit your ability to receive benefits.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That's the problem. Considering it a gift. It shouldn't be a "gift", but a portion of money handed out with specific obligations. "Gifting" anything to anybody only encourages entitlement mentalities. It should be inconvenient to be on welfare, not easy and free. The premise should encourage people to see alternate options, not stagnate on a "gift" that I pay for.

    Aren't you the same one whining about paying for the education of other people's children?
    Gifted in terms of the money being given to the individual. Once they are given that money, it's theirs

    And no, I wasn't whining about it. I was pointing out the fact that so many of the holier than thou folk coming down on subsidies in fact enjoy quite a fair share of their own subsidies at the cost of others. In fact in that thread I did say that in reality I have no problem with it as I see the funding of education to be an overall benefit to the Republic as any Republic needs an educated populace to survive.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You're 100% right; accepting it does not abdicate the rights. However, it doesn't mean that they can stop offering it - and, as a fellow libertarian, I know you agree that nobody has a right to welfare.

    Stipulations on public funds isn't a bad idea to me.
    It's certainly not a right to welfare. But we do offer it, and I'm not going to revolt over it. So it's the system I will work in. And under it, I can see no legitimate argument for those who choose to participate in this program that we offer to have to abdicate their rights and free exercise there of. If we offer it, we offer it with the knowledge that there are still things government is explicitly forbidden from doing and must accept those consequences as part of our choice and action.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Gifted in terms of the money being given to the individual. Once they are given that money, it's theirs

    And no, I wasn't whining about it. I was pointing out the fact that so many of the holier than thou folk coming down on subsidies in fact enjoy quite a fair share of their own subsidies at the cost of others. In fact in that thread I did say that in reality I have no problem with it as I see the funding of education to be an overall benefit to the Republic as any Republic needs an educated populace to survive.
    That isn't entirely true. If I am given a grant for school I am only allowed to use that money for school-related expensives. I can't go out and buy a pair of $500 shoes. There is no reason that welfare money shouldn't have the same type of restrictions placed upon it. Again, the point of welfare is temporary help, not permanent entitlement. It should be made hard to receive, inconvenient, and limited.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    True, and it shows that we should be granted fewer "rights". A private employer should be able to deny service or employment based on damn near any factor.
    I believe this to be a correct statement. It's their business and property.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    True, and it shows that we should be granted fewer "rights". A private employer should be able to deny service or employment based on damn near any factor.

    No they should not be able to do that. If a man, woman, Hispanic, black can perform the requirements of the job they have an equal right to that job.

    When applying for the job of playing the role of Malcolm X in a historical sense being Asian, Caucasian, female, etc. does not fulfill the requirements of the job anymore than an accountant applying for a surgeons job.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's certainly not a right to welfare. But we do offer it, and I'm not going to revolt over it. So it's the system I will work in. And under it, I can see no legitimate argument for those who choose to participate in this program that we offer to have to abdicate their rights and free exercise there of. If we offer it, we offer it with the knowledge that there are still things government is explicitly forbidden from doing and must accept those consequences as part of our choice and action.
    Again, they have a choice. They are not being forced to piss in a cup. They are asking to receive a service, the government is asking them to meet requirements. They can choose at anytime to terminate the process.
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