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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Yes. Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand not a hand out. If you can afford recreational drugs then obviously you do not need this helping hand. This helping hand is not there so that you have extra money in your pocket to buy recreational drugs. I think this should extend to tobacco products too.No I am not some anti-smoking nazi who wants to see smoking banned everywhere and smokers arrested. The fact is cheap cigs are 20-30 dollars a carton depending on where you live and most smokers smoke around a pack or more a day so three cartons of cigs a month is 60-90 dollars a month assuming the individual buys generic and does not live in New York where they **** smokers in the ass on cigarette taxes.


    Before some twit goes "what about social security?" No on social security, because everybody pays into social security with the expectation they will get it back. Making people get drug test for social security would be like banks making you get a piss test to draw out your own money.


    I am sure some whiny lib will say its not fair its none of the tax payers business what welfare recipients do with tax payer money. Bull **** it is tax payer's business what welfare recipients do with that money and I am pretty sure many of these people wanted government bailouts to not be used CEO bonuses.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    No. Marginalizing and trying to "starve out" addicts just creates more crime. Half the problem is that we have so few resources for addicts as it is, and the drug war culture makes people afraid to admit they have a problem, on top of the difficulty of dealing with it.

    As offensive as it is to the mentality of people who would rather punish people for the audacity to be human, the exact opposite works much better: harm reduction programs. It increases the rates at which addicts go to rehab, and lowers crime.

    I am not concerned with whether it serves some people's desire for vengeance. I'm only concerned with what works best.

    In addition, a casual pot smoker is not any more an addict or inhibited from functioning than a casual drinker. There is absolutely no reason to discriminate against this sort of drug use (which is already perfectly acceptable in society as long as the drug has some totally arbitrary stamp of government approval). Marijuana lingers in your urine for up to a month, sometimes even longer if you're overweight. It lingers in hair for much longer, unless you shave it. Should someone who smoked a joint last month at their birthday party be thrown off benefit? Seriously?
    My only issue here is that managing relationships with an addict are never cut and dry. Any action which promotes their access to their addiction enables them to continue, just like an action against the addiction is an easy excuse for them to continue using. Addicts are rarely successful in rehab programs they didn't enter voluntarily, and the relapse rate is quite high amongst the "successful". While disallowing them access to money to feed their addiction may lead to increased crime, the solution is not so easily identified.

    I'm all for the legalization of marijuana. Studies indicate that use of other drugs declines significantly when marijuana is legal. But I'm not for subsidizing addiction for the sake of crime rates. A better solution is needed, though I'll be honest when I say I don't have one.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    My only issue here is that managing relationships with an addict are never cut and dry. Any action which promotes their access to their addiction enables them to continue, just like an action against the addiction is an easy excuse for them to continue using. Addicts are rarely successful in rehab programs they didn't enter voluntarily, and the relapse rate is quite high amongst the "successful". While disallowing them access to money to feed their addiction may lead to increased crime, the solution is not so easily identified.

    I'm all for the legalization of marijuana. Studies indicate that use of other drugs declines significantly when marijuana is legal. But I'm not for subsidizing addiction for the sake of crime rates. A better solution is needed, though I'll be honest when I say I don't have one.
    That's why harm reduction programs are awesome. They don't force the person into rehab. They work through creating awareness of resources and de-shaming the addiction.

    Is it a cure-all? No. There is none. But at the end of the day, this would help them more, cost us less, and help reduce the damage it does to society.

    Why not? They're already addicted. They're going to keep being addicted. At the end of the day it costs us less, and makes us safer, to deal with these people somehow rather than just throwing them back onto the street.

    There may be a better solution out there still. And what I've mentioned is probably incomplete. Is there any use for drug testing? Perhaps. How would we manage benefit vs. harm reduction or rehab? Not entirely sure. But I am fairly sure of this. Barring drug users from benefit is exactly the wrong move in my opinion.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
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    Thats not a very large fraction

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No, your comment was:

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    It is actually a great idea. There is a large faction of people that are on welfare because they can't get a job due to their dependency. Make them get sober and get a job. It isn't societies responsibility to support meth heads and stoners.
    From the link you posted it said that while 20% of welfare recipients have admitted to using illegal drugs in the past year, only a SMALL MINORITY satisfy the requirements for drug or alcohol dependency. So in the abstract of the link you gave, it's already saying the dependency numbers, to which you make a claim of LARGE FACTION OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE, is a SMALL MINORITY.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    That's why harm reduction programs are awesome. They don't force the person into rehab. They work through creating awareness of resources and de-shaming the addiction.

    Is it a cure-all? No. There is none. But at the end of the day, this would help them more, cost us less, and help reduce the damage it does to society.

    Why not? They're already addicted. They're going to keep being addicted. At the end of the day it costs us less, and makes us safer, to deal with these people somehow rather than just hanging them up to dry.

    There may be a better solution out there still. And what I've mentioned is probably incomplete. Is there any use for drug testing? Perhaps. How would we manage benefit vs. harm reduction or rehab? Not entirely sure. But I am fairly sure of this. Barring drug users from benefit is exactly the wrong move in my opinion.
    I don't know. I think even if we don't "hang them out to dry" there are benefits to knowing who is using drugs before we give them money. If a mother of 5 with a baby on the way tests positive for cocaine we can do infinitely more to help those kids than we could have if we'd just handed her a check.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, your comment was:



    From the link you posted it said that while 20% of welfare recipients have admitted to using illegal drugs in the past year, only a SMALL MINORITY satisfy the requirements for drug or alcohol dependency. So in the abstract of the link you gave, it's already saying the dependency numbers, to which you make a claim of LARGE FACTION OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE, is a SMALL MINORITY.
    Right, because people use drugs casually and that never shows up on a drug test
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't know. I think even if we don't "hang them out to dry" there are benefits to knowing who is using drugs before we give them money. If a mother of 5 with a baby on the way tests positive for cocaine we can do infinitely more to help those kids than we could have if we'd just handed her a check.
    Agreed. I'd rather see no drug tests than drug tests use to throw them back on the street, but I'd rather see what you mention than no drug tests. Although ideally we'd live in a culture where there was less shame and less harsh punishment and people were more likely to admit it.

    What would we do with that information once we had it? Don't know. Our system is not currently built to be much help at all to addicts. Whatever it would be would have to be from scratch, but to me, this is a much better conversation to be having.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Drug use must NOT be a crime, however foolish it may be.
    Regardless of its legality it still cost money to do drugs. They are called recreational drugs because they are are used for recreational purposes not because someone needs those drugs. Those are a luxury or extra item which could possibly impair your ability to get back on your feet. Welfare and foodstamps are a helping hand not a handout, you seem to forget that. Spending money of recreational drugs is akin to buying a bug screen tv, going out to McDonalds, going gambling and all sorts of things that waste much needed cash.



    Should those who receive foodstamps be allowed to use foodstamps to purchase energy drinks, fast food, lobsters, Filet Mignon and all sorts of other luxery food, fast food and junk food?
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