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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The deal is that you need to pass before you receive welfare benefits though. If you are a drug user, you can freely say no. Not everyone qualifying for welfare must receive it. If you want to protect your right not to be "searched", you have that right. They also have the right not to grant you money based on that decision.

    Works both ways, bud. Free will is a bitch.
    Freedom is a bitch. We have a restricted government. Accepting federally offered money does not abdicate rights in the least. Consequence of freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's a lot of inconsistencies with the argument against the poor here. We subsidize a lot, from the individual to companies to countries. But the only call for searching the individuals or entities who are receiving the subsidy is against the poor people on welfare. 3-5% of the welfare recipients, and I'm supposed to be worried about that? No one has shown once that I'm going to save any money on this; we may end up paying more. If we're paying more, it's functionally stupid because why waste more money on the problem when it's not really going to address any root problem of poverty and economic participation?
    Welfare doesn't address any root problem of poverty and economic participation.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Do private employers have reasonable suspicion to test me for drugs? Are they violating my rights when they require it? No, because my employment is strictly voluntary. I can choose whether or not to meet their requirements for employment. Welfare recipients have the same choice. They are only required to piss in a cup if they are applying for free money. If they decide they don't want to piss in a cup that's fine, but no free money. No violation of rights. Repeating yourself over and over doesn't prove anything, by the way.
    As I have said, private business and government are under different restrictions.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As I have said, private business and government are under different restrictions.
    So you're saying that private employers can violate our rights but the government can't, since you believe requiring drug tests prior to being granted a award of service/employment/etc violates rights.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The deal is that you need to pass before you receive welfare benefits though. If you are a drug user, you can freely say no. Not everyone qualifying for welfare must receive it. If you want to protect your right not to be "searched", you have that right. They also have the right not to grant you money based on that decision.

    Works both ways, bud. Free will is a bitch.

    So you mean government has rights?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    Freedom is a bitch. We have a restricted government. Accepting federally offered money does not abdicate rights in the least. Consequence of freedom.
    You're 100% right; accepting it does not abdicate the rights. However, it doesn't mean that they can stop offering it - and, as a fellow libertarian, I know you agree that nobody has a right to welfare.

    Stipulations on public funds isn't a bad idea to me.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    If 'Hulking Momma Blowpipe' is still getting loaded and knocked up by every Bubba, Jose and Jamal to sniff along her trail, she shouldn't get welfare to further enable her. No frig'n way.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston
    So you mean government has rights?
    Hell yeah they do. Only an anarchist would argue otherwise.

    Their rights should just be unspoken, understood, and invisible...and it should tread as little as possible.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So you're saying that private employers can violate our rights but the government can't, since you believe requiring drug tests prior to being granted a award of service/employment/etc violates rights.

    Yes a private employer can violate your rights. For example a topless bar can discriminate based on gender where as the government can not.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yes a private employer can violate your rights. For example a topless bar can discriminate based on gender where as the government can not.
    And you feel that the requirement to prove you are drug free is a violation of rights?
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