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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And it doesn't, even with drug testing.
    The individual is free to secure their person. Which means their body as well. You are making a search of their body to determine if there is anything in there that the government wouldn't agree with. Less you have some reasonable suspicion of drug use, there is no reasonable way to search a person for said drug use without violating their right to secure their person against unreasonable search.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    So people freak about having their DNA stored by law enforcement, having a SSnumber etc. But statism in the name of punishing poor drug users (would be millions) is alright?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If the government insists on knowing what I do with my money, it's a violation of privacy. If they insist on knowing what I do with their money, it's due diligence.
    Once the money is given to the individual, it is no longer the government's money. It now belongs to the individual to whom it was gifted.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The individual is free to secure their person. Which means their body as well. You are making a search of their body to determine if there is anything in there that the government wouldn't agree with. Less you have some reasonable suspicion of drug use, there is no reasonable way to search a person for said drug use without violating their right to secure their person against unreasonable search.
    Do private employers have reasonable suspicion to test me for drugs? Are they violating my rights when they require it? No, because my employment is strictly voluntary. I can choose whether or not to meet their requirements for employment. Welfare recipients have the same choice. They are only required to piss in a cup if they are applying for free money. If they decide they don't want to piss in a cup that's fine, but no free money. No violation of rights. Repeating yourself over and over doesn't prove anything, by the way.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    The individual is free to secure their person. Which means their body as well. You are making a search of their body to determine if there is anything in there that the government wouldn't agree with. Less you have some reasonable suspicion of drug use, there is no reasonable way to search a person for said drug use without violating their right to secure their person against unreasonable search.
    The deal is that you need to pass before you receive welfare benefits though. If you are a drug user, you can freely say no. Not everyone qualifying for welfare must receive it. If you want to protect your right not to be "searched", you have that right. They also have the right not to grant you money based on that decision.

    Works both ways, bud. Free will is a bitch.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If the card were only capable of application on necessities we wouldn't be having most of this discussion. That was a proposal I made. However, there is still the issue of that recipient being largely unable to secure stable employment with a drug habit, thus indefinitely enslaving them to the entitlement.
    The food card is fairly limited. Sure you can buy junk food, but not smokes and other such things. And it depends on the individual and the drug in question. Someone who uses pot is different than a crack adict. And some manage their drug use better than others. Some use alcohol, which is legal, and not likely subject to your testing, but might be a larger problem.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So people freak about having their DNA stored by law enforcement, having a SSnumber etc. But statism in the name of punishing poor drug users (would be millions) is alright?
    There's a lot of inconsistencies with the argument against the poor here. We subsidize a lot, from the individual to companies to countries. But the only call for searching the individuals or entities who are receiving the subsidy is against the poor people on welfare. 3-5% of the welfare recipients, and I'm supposed to be worried about that? No one has shown once that I'm going to save any money on this; we may end up paying more. If we're paying more, it's functionally stupid because why waste more money on the problem when it's not really going to address any root problem of poverty and economic participation?
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    Once the money is given to the individual, it is no longer the government's money. It now belongs to the individual to whom it was gifted.
    That's fine. Any monies previously received before the individual fails a drug test is a sunk cost. I wouldn't argue that they should pay it back.

    They can stop the payment though. It's essentially a voidable contract.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Once the money is given to the individual, it is no longer the government's money. It now belongs to the individual to whom it was gifted.
    That's the problem. Considering it a gift. It shouldn't be a "gift", but a portion of money handed out with specific obligations. "Gifting" anything to anybody only encourages entitlement mentalities. It should be inconvenient to be on welfare, not easy and free. The premise should encourage people to see alternate options, not stagnate on a "gift" that I pay for.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The individual is free to secure their person. Which means their body as well. You are making a search of their body to determine if there is anything in there that the government wouldn't agree with. Less you have some reasonable suspicion of drug use, there is no reasonable way to search a person for said drug use without violating their right to secure their person against unreasonable search.
    Nonsense. As has been pointed out numerous times, drug testing is required as part of many employments, memberships, etc.

    The government is merely requiring some basic standards before you get free-stuff that other people have to pay for.

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