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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It's a check. Or a debit card. Either way, cash is easily available from the funds. Pretty hard to track cash. Buying illegal drugs is illegal regardless of whether it's money you earned by working or money you received from entitlements.
    No really that hard. But if you can prove it was spent on drugs, wouldn't that already be against the law?

    If however, I monitor your rent, your food, the card can only purchase food, and such, wouldn't there be nothing left for drugs?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And when one becomes available but they fail to qualify because they test positive for drugs, we'll continue to foot the bill, right? Because it's okay for them to do drugs on our dime, even though most employers wouldn't allow it on their payroll.

    It depends on the type of employee you are. If you are the head of a mega church like Tim Haggard was you don't get drug tested.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    So you can say, for instance, no one on welfare is legally allowed to own a gun? They cannot protest at political events? They cannot redress the government? They may not freely associate?
    I'd definitely say no to the first one. Welfare should not be used for purchases that are not considered ultimately crucial. Last I checked, you can live quite well without owning a gun.

    The rest of the examples given are not capital-intensive. The simple fact is that you really need to decentivize welfare to make sure it is eliminated. By requiring absolutely no frills whatsoever when you live on the dole, you greatly reduce, if not eliminate, the portion who live on it under their own volition - out of want, not need.

    The biggest problem with welfare is that you can actually live rather well on it. Maybe no vacations to the French Riviera, but I know of people on welfare with their own place.

    The key is to paint a picture where being on welfare is a situation nobody would envy. Make recipients have no choice but to live like crowded roaches, eating beans, and enjoying absolutely no creature comforts like air conditioning or cable TV.

    We can protect the pursuit of happiness, but we should never subsidize it or make it a right.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You've said that over, and over, and over again. You have not provided any legal basis for the insistance that a government-mandated drug test for anybody voluntarily applying for welfare is a violation of that right. Further, you would then have to explain why pirvate employers are allowed to violate the privacy and perform "unreasonable searches" against potential job candidates, but the government is not allowed to require such for those who are seeking a handout.
    Voluntarily applying for offered social programs does not, should not abdicate rights.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No really that hard. But if you can prove it was spent on drugs, wouldn't that already be against the law?

    If however, I monitor your rent, your food, the card can only purchase food, and such, wouldn't there be nothing left for drugs?
    If the card were only capable of application on necessities we wouldn't be having most of this discussion. That was a proposal I made. However, there is still the issue of that recipient being largely unable to secure stable employment with a drug habit, thus indefinitely enslaving them to the entitlement.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    We can protect the pursuit of happiness, but we should never subsidize it or make it a right.
    Maybe not "pusuit of happiness" in some general sense. But property and privacy must be upheld against government force.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It depends on the type of employee you are. If you are the head of a mega church like Tim Haggard was you don't get drug tested.
    How many welfare recipients immediately jump into profitable envangelicism?
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Voluntarily applying for offered social programs does not, should not abdicate rights.
    And it doesn't, even with drug testing.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    How many welfare recipients immediately jump into profitable envangelicism?

    I'd suspect a lot are suckered into it.

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    Maybe not "pusuit of happiness" in some general sense. But property and privacy must be upheld against government force.
    If the government insists on knowing what I do with my money, it's a violation of privacy. If they insist on knowing what I do with their money, it's due diligence.

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