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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're going to pay for them somehow, either through hospitalization or jail or homeless shelter.
    Neither of those three options provides them with an illegal substance.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Neither of those three options provides them with an illegal substance.
    Well the jail one will if they're robbing your ass for drug money. The hospital one would be related assuming they're there on drug related issues. The homeless one is for kicking them off of welfare and into the streets.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but you make the assumption that anyone on welfare who may have used drugs within the past year is incapable of holding down a job. Which is not correct, some are victims of circumstance and poor economics. The study you listed, which goes through and painstakingly identifies dependency states that those on welfare who are actually dependent upon their drug is a small minority.
    They are incapable of holding down a job, that's why they are on welfare! And being a small minority is irrelevant...if they are dependent then just a small minority will be kicked off the rolls. If they are responsible, upstanding citizens as you suggest, they'll recognize the importance of not abusing drugs and will stay on welfare. But there is no reason for Florida, or any other state, to pay people to be on welfare when they are on drugs.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well the jail one will if they're robbing your ass for drug money. The hospital one would be related assuming they're there on drug related issues. The homeless one is for kicking them off of welfare and into the streets.
    And the solution to avoid those issues is to just give them a handful of money every month to encourage the habit?
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And the solution to avoid those issues is to just give them a handful of money every month to encourage the habit?
    If it's the cheapest solution, I'd take it. We're gonna pay one way or the other. One, we keep the system as it is. From the link KSU posted, the research indicates that if you implemented something of this sort you would see a decrease of 3-5% in welfare participation. So you're talking that level from the start. But we'll test everyone, which will cost money. If you kick them off welfare, then you're paying in other ways. If we're spending millions to save a net of thousands, I don't think it particularly makes sense to go down this road.

    There is also the questionable use of government force in this area. The individual has the right to secure their person, effects, and property from unreasonable search and seizure. In my opinion, without reasonable suspicion as to the individual using illegal drugs, this particular search is unreasonable. Of course, that would need to be tested in courts and such; but it's at best questionable use of government force. In those terms I am even more hesitant then to endorse these actions.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    They are incapable of holding down a job, that's why they are on welfare! And being a small minority is irrelevant...if they are dependent then just a small minority will be kicked off the rolls. If they are responsible, upstanding citizens as you suggest, they'll recognize the importance of not abusing drugs and will stay on welfare. But there is no reason for Florida, or any other state, to pay people to be on welfare when they are on drugs.
    There are circumstances in which individuals find themselves on welfare, not because they can't hold down a job but because of the circumstances around the industry and economy. Not everyone is on welfare for life, which is really how you make it sound.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Since the thread is about people who can't or won't or aren't trying to hold down a job (i.e. welfare recipients) maybe we can discuss the merits of that position. Should tax payers subsized the purchase of illegal drugs by granting welfare money to a recipient who tests positive?
    I wouldn't go that far. Being on Welfare doesn't mean they won't get off of welfare. And when do we subsized the purchase of drugs? Couldn't we just monitor where the money goes?

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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If it's the cheapest solution, I'd take it. We're gonna pay one way or the other. One, we keep the system as it is. From the link KSU posted, the research indicates that if you implemented something of this sort you would see a decrease of 3-5% in welfare participation. So you're talking that level from the start. But we'll test everyone, which will cost money. If you kick them off welfare, then you're paying in other ways. If we're spending millions to save a net of thousands, I don't think it particularly makes sense to go down this road.

    There is also the questionable use of government force in this area. The individual has the right to secure their person, effects, and property from unreasonable search and seizure. In my opinion, without reasonable suspicion as to the individual using illegal drugs, this particular search is unreasonable. Of course, that would need to be tested in courts and such; but it's at best questionable use of government force. In those terms I am even more hesitant then to endorse these actions.
    I would argue that the recipients action of seeking out government aid qualifies them to meet specific requirements. If they can be required to release income records, rent records, and social security/birth information for dependents, then asking them to submit to a drug test is no more invasive and would therefore not qualify as a violation of any right.

    As far as paying for it because it's "better" or "easier"...I disagree. Encouraging an addicted will only delay the inevitable. Another poster suggested that those who test positive be given an option to participate in rehab/education courses as a stipulation of receiving money. I have always been a proponent of specific funding through welfare (i.e. rent, utilities, transport costs) instead of free-reign spending on behalf of the recipient. If such a system were put into place it would be quite easy to eliminate the use of tax payer funds for drugs.
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wouldn't go that far. Being on Welfare doesn't mean they won't get off of welfare. And when do we subsized the purchase of drugs? Couldn't we just monitor where the money goes?
    If we're giving a drug user a welfare check we're subsidizing their drug habit. How do you track money to a drug dealer? Do they file income reports?
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    Re: Should Drug Tests Be Required to Get Welfare Benefits?

    Personally, I think drug tests should be required to post here... but that would bore the place up something fierce, huh.

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